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Do registered will still valid?

I possess a registered WILL that was established on my behalf by my late father. At present, I have the intention of selling the property associated with this WILL. The property is currently registered in the names of both my father and mother and has not been officially transferred to my name. I have received conflicting information regarding the process of selling the property.

Some individuals have suggested that, with a certified copy of the WILL, an affidavit, and the death certificates of both my parents, I may proceed with the property sale. However, there are others who contend that I must initiate the process of transferring the property into my own name before being able to sell it. I am a resident of Kerala.

I am seeking expert opinions and guidance on the best course of action in this situation. Your insights and advice on the most appropriate and legally compliant approach for selling the property under these circumstances would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your assistance.



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Amritesh Mishra (Advocate)     12 October 2023

I am lawyer from Bihar. Here will is valid after probate. However you may seek advice from local lawyer.

Dr. J C Vashista (Advocate )     13 October 2023

Probation of will is compulsory only in Bombay, Madras and Calcutta (all three earstwhile provincial states and now reorganised and renamed).

It is advisable to consult and engage a local prudent lawyer with relevant records for apprecition of facts / documents, professional advise and necessary proceeding

Real Soul.... (LEGAL)     13 October 2023

You have to transfer the property in your name first by way of will deed. Until the property is not in your name you can never sell it

P. Venu (Advocate)     13 October 2023

There are missing facts, Admittedly, the property is registered in the names of your (late) father and mother. Is the mother alive? Furthermore, are you the only legal heir to your parents?


(Guest)

Dear Mr. P Venu,

it is clealy mentioned " death certificates of both my parents"

I have brothers and sisters, each got their own share...

If the will is not valid, then, what is the use of registering such things by paying to goverment? The will mentioning "the property belong to ONLY ( name of person) after our death"

Do you thing my siblings can claim a share??? if so, there is no meaning creating a WILL. 

P. Venu (Advocate)     14 October 2023

The tone and tenor of your posting, esp, the subsequent clarification(?), suggests deeper issues.

Please post complete but simple facts avoidng subjective opinions based on assumptions and presumptions.

Whom did the property belong -to father or mother or both the parents?

When was the Will executed?  When did the parents die?

Does the Will satisfy the requirements of a valid Will in terms of the provisions of Section 63 of the Indian Succession Act?

63. Execution of unprivileged wills.—Every testator, not being a soldier employed in an expedition or engaged in actual warfare, or an airman so employed or engaged, or a mariner at sea, shall execute his will according to the following rules:—

(a) The testator shall sign or shall affix his mark to the will, or it shall be signed by some other person in his presence and by his direction.

(b) The signature or mark of the testator, or the signature of the person signing for him, shall be so placed that it shall appear that it was intended thereby to give effect to the writing as a will.

(c) The will shall be attested by two or more witnesses, each of whom has seen the testator sign or affix his mark to the will or has seen some other person sign the will, in the presence an d by the direction of the testator, or has received from the testator a personal acknowledgment of his signature or mark, or of the signature of such other person; and each of the witnesses shall sign the will in the presence of the testator, but it shall not be necessary that more than one witness be present at the same time, and no particular form of attestation shall be necessary.

What are the constraints, if any, in getting the mutation, pokkucaravu, carried out.


(Guest)

A will is regestered with the registration department of Kerala Government. Do you think an invalid will can be registered. Once the will is registered, and the person who created the will passed away, I am entitled to get that property. I have the right on my property and I can do whatever I like to .

Just came here to get an opinion, now it is becoming complicated. 

The community should understand that everyone here, are not law graduates. Just give some suggestion that common man can understand. 

I have come to a wrong platform I believe

P. Venu (Advocate)     14 October 2023

"A will is regestered with the registration department of Kerala Government. Do you think an invalid will can be registered. Once the will is registered, and the person who created the will passed away, I am entitled to get that property. I have the right on my property and I can do whatever I like to."

The Supreme Court in a recent Judgment (https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2009/17698/17698_2009_16_1501_47437_Judgement_06-Oct-2023.pdf) has held that a Will Can't Be Presumed To Be Valid Merely Because It Is Registered. The ratio laid down by the Apex Court repays study -

21. It is well settled that mere registration would not sanctify a document by attaching to it an irrebuttable presumption of genuineness. The observations of this Court in Rani Purnima Debi and another vs. Kumar Khagendra Narayan Deb and another , which were referred to by the Himachal Pradesh High Court, are of guidance in this regard and are worthy of extraction. These observations read as under:

“There is no doubt that if a Will has been registered, that is a circumstance which may, having regard to the circumstances, prove its genuineness. But the mere fact that a Will is registered will not by itself be sufficient to dispel all suspicion regarding it where suspicion exists, without submitting the evidence of registration to a close examination. If the evidence as to registration on a close examination reveals that the registration was made in such a manner that it was brought home to the testator that the document of which he was admitting execution was a Will disposing of his property and thereafter he admitted its execution and signed it in token thereof, the registration will dispel the doubt as to the genuineness of the Will. But if the evidence as to registration shows that it was done in a perfunctory manner, that the officer registering the Will did not read it over to the testator or did not bring home to him that he was admitting the execution of a Will or did not satisfy himself in some other way (as, for example, by seeing the testator reading the Will) that the testator knew that it was a Will the execution of which he was admitting, the fact that the Will was registered would not be of much value. It is not unknown that registration may take place without the executant really knowing what he was registering. Law reports are full of cases in which registered Wills have not been acted upon ……… Therefore, the mere fact of registration may not by itself be enough to dispel all suspicion that may attach to the execution and  attestation of a Will; though the fact that there has been registration would be an important circumstance in favour of the Will being genuine if the evidence as to registration establishes that the testator admitted the execution of the Will after knowing that it was a Will the execution of which he was admitting.”

22. We may also refer to Janki Narayan Bhoir vs. Narayan Namdeo Kadam , wherein this Court held that, to prove that a Will has been executed, the requirements in clauses (a), (b) and (c) of Section 63 of the Succession Act have to be complied with. It was pointed out that the most important point is that the Will has to be attested by two or more witnesses and each of these witnesses must have seen the testator sign or affix his mark to the Will or must have seen some other person sign the Will in the presence of and by the direction of the testator or must have received from the testator a personal acknowledgment of his signature or mark or of the signature or mark of such other person and each of the witnesses has to sign the Will in the presence of the testator. It was further held that, a person propounding a Will has got to prove that the Will was duly and validly executed and that cannot be done by simply proving that the signature on the Will was that of the testator, as the propounder must also prove that the attestations were made properly, as required by Section 63(c) of the Succession Act. These observations were affirmed and  quoted with approval by this Court in its later judgment in Lalitaben Jayantilal Popat vs. Pragnaben Jamnadas Kataria and others.

"Just came here to get an opinion, now it is becoming complicated." Complication is only because the relevant and maerial facts have not been disclosed.

"The community should understand that everyone here, are not law graduates. Just give some suggestion that common man can understand.  I have come to a wrong platform I believe"

Any meaningful suggestion requires that the simple facts be disclosed avoiding subjective opinions. This is the elementary requirement even if one goes to a medical practitioner.

In the instant case the property belonged to both the parents. But only the father has executed the Will. If so, even if the Will, the nother's share in the property has devolved jointly upon  all the legal heirs i.e. the querist and the siblings. It is of no consequence that the parents, during their lifetime, had given their properties. 

Any person, during his lifetme, can deal with of dispose of his property during his lifetme. The only exception is ancestral property which is unique to Hindu personal law. And, any property, left intestate, devolves jointly upon all the legal heirs after their lifetme.
 

Dr. J C Vashista (Advocate )     15 October 2023

Very well explained, opined and advised by senior expert Mr. P Venu, I fully agree and appreciate. Nothing more to add.

However, if you are not satisfied with the obligation of experts on this platform it is better to consult a local prudent lawyer for proper appreciation of facts / documents and professional advise. 

Sudhir Kumar, Advocate (Advocate)     17 October 2023

agreeing with above views, I will add that if will is registered it may not be very easily to challange the authenticity.

 

every will is meant to be challnged.

 every will (including registered) will be superseded by last will (including unresigtered).

Real Soul.... (LEGAL)     17 October 2023

If the will is genuine, testified by owner and having witnesses then you don' even need to register it. Your will deed is registerd means that is more than valid . Just you need to execute that will, You need to check if Govt. has issued any notification for probation of will in your state, if yes then you have to probate the will. Otherwise just take the registered original will deed along with the death certificate of testator and submit in revenue offcie to get thet implemented by the concerned offcier. 

If the will deed clearly transfers the property in your name and the property belonged to testator then you need not to worry as your siblings cannot get anything from that.

 


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