Constitution of india

18.7.16

Has the person/s who has/have been addressed done anything? No more of these IMAGINATIVE ACCUSATIONS.

Shrill shoutings should not become license for any desirable thing anymore.

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AN IMPORTANT GRIEVANCE IN THE CONSTITUTION-I IS RESERVATION. 3 generations of Reservation has devastated entire families. NO MORE OF RESERVATION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

THE CONSTITUTION-II NEED HAVE THE FOLLOWING:

Easy, accountable, transparent means need enable minimal needs, facilities to all equitably, fairly. Anything beyond that be made available only on proven contributions, abilities etc & definitely not on impossible factors.

But for, on Gvt. jobs: NO DISCRIMINATION, NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, NO EAR MARKING ... TO ANYONE, WHATEVER, WHEREVER IT BE.

Permanence, assured promotions etc be removed. Some people be selected fairly, transparently for assured 10-15 years terms. Then on, State will not feed even that selected person's salary, expenses. S/he has to earn that & live on that.

The discussion is being deviated from the subject of the post. The points raised can be discussed in another thread, but not here.

# 32

18.7.16 

Sir,

As far as I am concerned, this is always being followed, even without the need for your recording. Hope it is appreciated. Hope your observation is not in response to the above post.

The unjust, venom, hatred, blaspehmy, bombardings repeat on & on despite express recording in earlier posts that these are cognizable. It is too much to bear & got diverted midway. These happen because of those sorts of planned irritations, injustices. 

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The post that got diverted is as follows:-

Originally posted by : Rajiv Thakur
	.... But its well settled now that neither courts nor parliament can change it. If parliament try to do so...SC says you cant basic structure of it. However I personally strongly believe That no rigid format based law/document can be implemented in true democracy. USA is best example for my point. They dont have any rigid written constitution. They knew the fact democracy cant be forcfully trapped into some rigid structure. That's why they lead world. Unfortunately. .here in India if someone dares to speak over matters like constitution, shortcomings in civil code (uniform) cos of islam...media, courts, our own parliament suppress the voice. They dont want to have even debate over such topics. Personaly I see biggest shorcomings in constitution are Reservation ................

The point is: 'There is some system in place & that is running the affairs'. These bodies probably take that stance what is expressed in the post from this perspective.

But, the bodies are in itself meant to be for welfare purposes & thus, the society can approach & reapproach them with strong, unrefutable, unignorable facts on pains, misuses etc. Sound proposals alongside will strengthen the case. The Nation cannot keep working on corrupt concepts. On top of this, the hands that execute add more corruption, lethargy etc. It is pertinent to collect definite information & present them in the case. The bodies SHOULD HAVE NO WAY OUT BUT TO ACCEPT THE NEED FOR CHANGE. The Nation could then work on 'Constitution-II'. 

# 33

22.7.16

While Reservation is the topmost ill in the Constitution-I, another is substantiated by the News item below:

In such cases, let alone tackling the law aspect, the Rule books lack even definitions. Perhaps these new situations did not even exist at that time.

Thus, people who have connections; have studied law (from point of view of loopholes & ways to exit at various points) bend the rules the way they want, suck up everything & leave the other more deserving people high & dry & perhaps as living ghosts.

What are Sh. Dakshina Moorthy, Sh. Rajiv Thakur etc doing? Just speaking on one post will not help a magnanimous task. Pl. be sure to note that injustices will keep bothering. It is imperative to work up a crystal clear Constitution-II.

#34

23.7.16

Originally posted by : T V Krishnamurthy  in the 10th post on thread "Improve Justice"
	In view of the fact that I am an ordinary citizen I cannot lead but only contribute. Constitutional Machhinary. If finance minister could stop pension for government servants and at the same time introduce pension for elected represntatives - do we really need this parliament? I some times wish I had taken to revolution as a youngster than live long as I do to regret my folly in youth

Many more have lost, are losing very dear, once in lifetime etc things.

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This is an elderly's comment on the Macchhinnary in place. Look at this, Pay Cammishun was seeeeet up by one party/man when it/he had to go; another has poooozed it. People, the animals, natural constituents are going to bear the brunt. All the fun is going to happen at the other man's cost or at some animal's cost or some natural constituent or other. The s/hes will happily ..........

The attitude is "Someone bleeds for someone else's joys. So, why bother. Let me/us have this, that, another".

I am bleeding blood myself here, there, everywhere & am very sure these would not have happened had I been able to get ahead as planned OR at least if the Rules were sound enough OR if the people/bodies who/that were petitioned handled it competently, fairly. But fence eats the grass & the fence forced, prodded upon, batterred. People get trapped, are left without alternatives & lose their everything, while someone else sucks up everything, everything all with authority. The rules that fill people in Gvt jobs definitely need a revamp, in the true spirit of what is written.

NO MORE EXTENSIONS FOR DEFICIENT RULES, PROCESSES, SYSTEMS WHATEVER IT BE, WHOEVER IT BE. ALL EQUALS BE TREATED EQUALLY IN ALL WAYS. SOMEONE BEING MADE MORE EQUAL COSTS THE OTHERS THEIR EVERYTHING & RENDER THEIR ENTIRE BIRTH AS WASTE. ALONGSIDE, ENTIRE FAMILIES ARE GETTING WIPED OFF.

IF A NEW, WELL CONSULTED, SIMULATED SYSTEM COMES UP ....

Dear Mr P Suresh, I agree with you 100% for your brilliant words used above in the thread: "

The attitude is "Someone bleeds for someone else's joys. So, why bother. Let me/us have this, that, another". I am bleeding blood myself here, there, everywhere & am very sure these would not have happened had I been able to get ahead as planned OR at least if the Rules were sound enough OR if the people/bodies who/that were petitioned handled it competently, fairly. But fence eats the grass & the fence forced, prodded upon, batterred. People get trapped, are left without alternatives & lose their everything, while someone else sucks up everything, everything all with authority. The rules that fill people in Gvt jobs definitely need a revamp, in the true spirit of what is written. NO MORE EXTENSIONS FOR DEFICIENT RULES, PROCESSES, SYSTEMS WHATEVER IT BE, WHOEVER IT BE. ALL EQUALS BE TREATED EQUALLY IN ALL WAYS. SOMEONE BEING MADE MORE EQUAL COSTS THE OTHERS THEIR EVERYTHING & RENDER THEIR ENTIRE BIRTH AS WASTE. ALONGSIDE, ENTIRE FAMILIES ARE GETTING WIPED OFF.IF A NEW, WELL CONSULTED, SIMULATED SYSTEM COMES UP ...."

Law's cardinal principla is to be PREDICTABLE, so that no one is made to suffer for an element of surprise. We have crores of pending cases in courts from Kashmir to Kanyakuari, and from Rajkot to Kohima ... only because judges pass contradictory judgments, and at times, even SC overrules its own judgments. That is the main reason for the mess we find ourselves in today in Indian courts.Even in Tax matters, and mind it Tax Law is to be interpreted STRICTLY, there are disputes which are wholly avoidable. Take the case of Cairn or Vodafon ... let us work to change the system. Thank you.

# 36

24.7.16

Words of encouragement at the right time provides a sense of direction & encourages one to invest in public causes. It stimulates the requisite change & the society benefits of it.

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Sir,

Thank you. At this juncture, it is only apt to reaffirm that undersigned will do all that is possible for the cause on hand.

Regards,

Sh. P. Suresh

# 37

25.7.16

Originally posted by : N.K.Assumi Post # 1 in the thread "Is tenth schedule travelling on stilts dream?"
	........... What is strange is that the High Court says that they are helpless unless the Speaker gave the final ruling. Yet, in Rajendra Singh Rana case the Speker replied that the matter is in the High Court and will act only after the High Court disposed off the writ petition. ..........

This is the position at that level.

At the common man's level, illegalities, injustices are perpetuated as per plan. Victim decides to fight for justice. Then, Court says Competent Authority & Competent Authority says Court. Some people know this well, plan the rest & ....

System has loopholes. People have mastered them & use it in wrongful ways. The design isn't as robust to cater to the huge population that have trillions, trillions of ideas.

The very "Yes" & 'No" mechanism is defective. Everyone need decide on issues & not a proxy. Every Major decision be by the people & not a 3rd person. 

Please see that someone else says Yes/No & that becomes binding on everyone!

Corruption & new forms of corruption are also happening, will keep on happening on & on. Lot has already been said on these defects. India is not as language savvy. People understand the nitty-gritties in the areas of their specialisations/work & they are the good at judging, forecasting, planning.

The Constitution-II could dispense with the yes/no of a 3RD person (whoever, whatever party etc) & address the people's representation part by evolving a new, fool proof mechanism that caters to the huge population that we are.

Pl. go through constituent asembly debates. Don't be too technical. Forefathers never even dreampt of such addled politics of this day. We have to bow down to constitution and its lwas. Since representatives voted, it is binding on us. more than 1200 meetings were held before the constitution was adopted.  

Mr Venkatesh Rao, who voted ? the people of India ? or their duly elected 'representatives'? remember, the duly elected 'REPRESENTATIVES of the People of India by the People of India were only in April 1952, and the Constitution was NOT ratified by them in the first Lok Sabha. That is a FACT. Now, 1200 meetings were held or more - Quantity is never a substitute for QUALITY. The Constitution is a cut/copy/paste of majorly Govt of India Act, 1935, and the rest copied from Constitutions of several countries/nations ... US, Australian, Canadian, etc. So, pls check your facts. I have carefully studied the Debates of the Constituent Assembly in the Parliament Library by dusting them with my own hands which proves the MPs had not even touched them not to talk of reading them ...

# 41

28.7.16

Originally posted by : venkatesh Rao
	.... Forefathers never even dreampt of such addled politics of this day. .... Since representatives voted, it is binding on us..........

Very true, the 571, 1 man etc do something. It becomes law & unseen get sacrificed automatically.

Also true that forefathers could not even contemplate. That is the problem & people are putting the rest into deep, lifetime of pains.

# 42

30.7.16

Originally posted by : jayendrasingh in the thread "आरक्षण"
	सुप्रीम कोर्ट दोहरा माप दण्ड क्यों अपनाता है ,सविदान में "सामाजिक" स्तर का प्रावदन है "आर्थिक" नहीं तो कोर्ट यह क्यों नहीं कहता आरक्षण १० साल के लिए था ६० नहीं वैसे ही दोहरा माप दण्ड नौकर भर्ती परीक्षा के fees में होता है सवर्ण-५००,obc - २५०,आ. जाती - १०० अगर सविदान में "आर्थिक" शब्द का प्रावदन नहीं तो यहाँ ऐसा क्यों किया जाता है fees सबको समान हो.

So, someone is more equal in the equal society. The means, yardsticks itself are being changed & Constitution is quoted for it (Gvt. Orders, Websites etc etc).

The rest of society who are incuring loses never agreed to above. So, where is the BY the people?

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No one need suffer for basic needs. But asking for Gvt. job, permanence, comforts, luxury, hi-fi are totally different. Others should not be blamed for their birth. HR FORMULA BE: "If one excels, one deserves much more than the rest & NOTHING ELSE". Should Scientists, IT professionals etc etc who hardly see day light, families, suffered etc etc etc for years together not get some solace? The highly qualified work on causes (On projects & get measly sums). (It is mostly their successes that make the difference). At the 1ST place, lot of questionables get the few mortals the permanent tag while the more competent, more deserving [who struggled on studies under extremely difficult circumstances (No aid from any other source) all through their youth] do not. On top of it, the permanents loot, loot, loot everything & the actual workers do not get any opportunities, exposures. There are many more issues & the post is not meant for those. It is suffice to note that the mechanism is promoting someone & doing injustices on many others arbitrarily. DESERVING SHOULD GET SUCH JOBS, COMFORTS (Till such time they deserve & not after that) & there can be no rights to ANYONE (including the Scientists, IT professionals etc) in this & allied matters.

Originally posted by : Mohan Shandilya
	.... The Constituent Assembly which drated and adopted it was NOT an elected body on the basis of an adult suffrage but a NOMINATED body that too by the alien rulers. It was never got ratified by the elected representatives of the people in 1952.... No referendum was held in India despite written committment ....

The precious common pool money is for common welfare & not for lavishing, taking away whatever, WHOEVER. After all these, power in wrong hands is causing more questionable things. So, let injustices not go on & on perpetually & be cause for unseen persons' (animates & inanimates) peril.

Hidden hands are constantly drafting injustices as per their needs & it is costing society (animates & inanimates) everything. None of these factors that the invisible hands draft are in one's hands & otherwise good citizens, hard workers, ingenious people are ruing very birth. INJUSTICES HAVE TO STOP WITH 'CONSTITUTION-II'.

1. Dear Mr P Suresh, I am sorry for not being able to reply to your earlier posts as I am going to be very busy for next ten days at least, so pls wait till I come back. Thnx.
2. Mr Venkatesh Rao, it is sine qua non for a person who wants to draft a Constitution for a Nation to have a vision, an ability to foresee the future circumstances (Like  Mr Winston Churchill of UK foresaw when he predicted that once power is handed over to Gandhi, Nehru, etc. India will go to dogs and the life in India will deteriorate from bad to worse). The people you call “forefathers” were just ‘Literate & NOT at all Educated’ … they were paid agents of the alien Brits, and only did cut/copy/paste majorly from The Govt of India Act, 1935 and some parts from other constitutions of several westeren nations. As you yourself stated, they lacked the vision and failed to foresee India’s problems which exist today. So, I can say safely, they let the people of this country down. It is not binding because they were NOT the elected representatives of the People of India, as I have explained succinctly in my original post. Pls re-read.
3. Dear Mr Jayendra Singh, I agree with you. Thank you.

# 44

17.8.16

Amendments, bills, office orders etc etc that have impacted every citizen is everybody's business & were expected to have been discussed in public thoroughly. But the 571s, 391s, XYZ person / speech, commission, department etc etc thrust them & made law.