
Today, we are here with Adv. K. K. Manan, a well known criminal lawyer with more than 35 years of experience. Adv. K K. Manan is the present Chairman of Bar Council of Delhi. He is holding this position for the second time. He is famous for his bold and witty arguments in the court room. Let us have a sneak preview into the life of this lawyer. Hello Manan Sir! I welcome you on behalf of LAWyersclubindia Hi Sir, my first question to you is: Recent developments have indicated that the judicial autonomy is at stake. What is your opinion on NJAC vs Collegium. Which is better? You see, the autonomy of the judiciary can't be and was never at stake because it is an independent judiciary and there are 3 organs of the Constitution, especially of the democracy of this country - Executive, Legislative and the Judiciary. Judiciary is absolutely an independent organ and pillar of the democracy. So, question does not arise that the autonomy of the judiciary is at stake. So, I am of the considered view that there is no question of judicial autonomy being at stake. Judiciary is an independent and a very strong organ. So, you are saying that this NJAC is a welcome step? Oh yes. But still, more amendments are required in this because the State Bar Council, the Bar Council of India - all these people haven't been taken into confidence and ultimately the judges would be from the lawyers. And in the higher judiciary, i.e. the High Court or the honourable Supreme Court, the judges would either be elevated from the High Court or from the Senior Lawyers or leading lawyers. I am of the considered view that the Legislature and the Parliament should have taken into consideration that the participation of the State Bar Councils or the Bar Council of India or the High Court Bar Associations of different High Courts should have been there. You are serving as the Chairman of Bar Council of Delhi for the second time. So what is your vision for this tenure and how different it is from 2007 and now in 2014? There is no such difference. I was not only the Chairman of Delhi Bar Council, I have also been the President of New Delhi Bar Association thrice. Earlier, I was the Chairman so it is not a new thing for me. I always put in an effort to enhance the prestige of the lawyers' fraternity. I was young when I joined the Bar and wanted to be a good lawyer under the guidance of a senior. Likewise, I want that the young lawyers should be imparted good etiquettes. They should behave properly in the courts, they should wear the robe and they should be in a proper dress in the court. You will find that in the trial courts, so many lawyers do not wear a robe, which is not good. I will advise them- 1. That they should be, atleast from 10 to 4, in the proper dress. 2. That the lawyers should not fight unnecessarily in the courts. Lawyers who indulge in such activities; Bar Council and the Bar Association Board, both will together, take action against them, if they are found guilty. If the judges will misbehave with them, then the Delhi Bar Council will also take up the matter to the Hon'ble Chief Justice of the Delhi High Court. Bench & Bar are two wheels of one chariot. It is my view. It's the view of our forefathers of this fraternity, so my total concentration would be on the point, that we should maintain decorum of the courts, we should be in the robes always and in proper dress in the court as well as we should make the atmosphere in courts a congenial atmosphere. There should not be any unnecessary strikes. We, lawyers, are being defamed by people that we go on strike too often. We are not fond of going on strike but issues are such that sometimes, the lawyers are compelled to go on strike. Firstly, matters should be sorted on the table, if that is not possible, then authorities should be given time and only under compulsion, if it's required, then definitely we would go on strike. What kind of legal reforms are required in our country? The Hon'ble Supreme Court and various Hon'ble High Courts have already taken steps to create a good atmosphere and provide good infrastructure in the court premises. Infrastructure doesn't mean good buildings. For that purpose, we require the co- operation between Bench and Bar. To decide the cases, especially in a criminal justice system, my view is that to make the criminal justice system a success in this country, we need reforms in the criminal justice system. On the prosecution side, good prosecutors should be appointed, they should also work hard, they should prepare their cases thoroughly and the no. of prosecutors should also be increased for efficient and speedy justice. You will find that the numbers of prosecutors are less in the courts. The police should also investigate the matter in a fixed time frame and a good investigating officer should know the latest techniques, technologies and scientific evidences. I will not withhold my views. Investigating agencies are mostly corrupt. They indulge in corrupt practices and they don't investigate the matter in a proper manner. Either, they do not know the law or they do not know how to investigate the matter. A few corrupt people can destroy the whole system. Now, you see, in the rape cases, the Hon'ble SC and the legislature have made amendments in the IPC and CrPC and have devised regulations regarding lady inspectors and lady investigating officers. But as far as Delhi is concerned, I have found that no good lady inspectors / lady investigating officers are there to investigate the rape cases, except a very few. To investigate the crime against women, they should be properly trained; training should be provided every six months, they should investigate the matter scientifically and chargesheets should be filed in a fixed time frame. So, the accused, if innocent, can be acquitted. If not, then justice should be done to the victim as soon as as possible. Sir, Recently the question of 365 days of working of courts has been raised and people have different opinions on that. What are your views as the Chairman of Delhi Bar Council? It is not possible. It is not practical because human body requires rest. Firstly, we should increase the strength of the judges. Secondly, other settlement methods which have been adopted, should be effectively implemented. For instance, evening courts are not working properly. Mediations, somehow, it's working. In mediations, one thing should be there - if the case has been settled through mediation and later on, the party breaches the agreement or backtracks, then, I think, the act should amount to contempt because they have wasted the time of the mediators.	Adv. K. K. Manan Chairman, Bar Council of Delhi
	And as far as 365 days working is concerned, I'd again say, its not at all practical. If I have to prepare a case for tomorrow, say 4 cases in 4 different courts, can I manage that? No, it's not possible. I can manage maximum 2 cases daily. Judges also will not be able to cope up with the system of 365 working days because they have to go through bulky files, they have to hear the arguments, thereafter, apply the judicial mind and dictate the judgement also. So, their brain also requires rest. You have more than 35 years of experience in criminal law. So, I want to know what type of moral & ethical dilemmas, you, being a criminal lawyer face? Sometimes, we know that the person has committed the murder. Now, the question is - why, how and under what circumstances we are defending. Sometimes our conscience also pricks - but again, money talks. Frankly speaking, there is greed. Not only with me, but every human being has some influence of greed over him. We are not saints. Even saints are not saints these days! So, sometimes there is dilemma, but not always. There are also cases where a person is falsely/wrongly implicated and we are unable to get him justice because where there is fabrication in the case, that case is more dangerous than the routine. Sometimes, our conscience pricks and sometimes I even refuse to accept cases, like I don't accept the case of extortion, prostitution, pick-pocketing. Few cases are such that I don't want to take up, like kidnapping and murder but somehow one has to do the case. If the defence lawyer is not engaged, then the court will provide Amicus. But they shouldn't go without any defence. So, to get the justice, he will be given an opportunity by the court itself. So, sometimes conscience pricks but not usually and always. Continuing the same, there must be a lot of pressure when you take up a case? Media pressure is also there and sometimes media trials also happen. So, how do you cope up with that stress? Sometimes media help the court, help the investigating agencies and ultimately help the society at large. But sometimes, where the news is planted and the reporter or the channel is biased, that is not good. In most of the cases, harsh reality is that, the true facts are not reported because the reporter does not know the law. I don't want to mention the name of the case, in a very famous Jodhpur case, I was the counsel, but I do not want to comment much as the case is pending in the court. I found that the media has played a role which was negative and the same prejudiced the mind of the court, which is not good. Though, judges don't get affected so far as media reports are concerned but somehow, it affects. After all, judges are also human beings! They are not aliens, they are not the gods and they are also made by gods on the Earth. There have been instances where the investigating agencies have failed and I can say that the media brought the full and true facts before the society, like that famous rape case in Delhi, after which the amendments in rape laws were made. If the media wouldn't have been there, lot of cases would have gone under the carpet. Hats off! And credit goes to the police too. Investigating agencies are still taking rape cases lightly. A number of Rape cases are filed as a result of breach of promise to marry. Investigating agencies don't take such cases seriously, rather they make mockery of such cases. I fail to understand, sometimes feel pity. But, still I will say for criminal justice system, investigating agencies' role is bigger than anybody else's. Investigating agency will collect the material and place on record. Thereafter only the wisdom of the judge will work. Good judges can smell the file and they will come to know the reality, but not all of them can. What would be your message to our members/young lawyers? Work hard, be honest and don't indulge in any illegal practices. You may get the reward late, but late is always better than hurry because in a hurry, accidents are always predictable and they will happen. Otherwise have patience. You will take time 2 , 3 or 5 years maybe, but if your luck is with you, hardwork will pay you ultimately and you will be a successful and leading lawyer of the country. I thank you, Manan Sir, again. It was very insightful, wonderful talking to you and I hope our members and budding lawyers will learn a lot from this interview. Thanks a lot! Thank you!

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