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MASTHAN (Self employeed)     09 June 2011

498A replied to talaq notice; and not accepted talaq

 

Hi All,

 

1. We sent TALAQ notice to her through advocate (signed by advocate, husband and two witness, dd for meher and iddat)

 

2. She replied to TALAQ notice saying that , the TALAQ is not valid and govt approved KAZI also said that "as the issues are pending in the court , you settle the issue in the court only"

 

Background history:

 

1. We sent three notice to 498A wife through KAZI, she did not responded to them

 

2. They responded to fourth notice and appeared before KAZI. They told their version of the story and we told our version of the story (as per my knowledge first arbitration is over) and at the end KAZI given next date

 

3. And on the next date also, we told our version and they told their version. KAZI tried to convenice my brother to take back his wife but he denied and at the end he pronounced triple TALAQ . After triple TALAQ. KAZI said that " I can't do anything in this matter, as the issues are pending in the court, you settle the issues in the court only"

 

Now we have few questions here

 

a. She received TALAQ notice, does that mean TALAQ got completed / divorce is completed?

 

b. How can I take it forward this situation.

 

As per my knowledge KAZI doenst have any right to tell that TALAQ is not valid. The muslim husband has all the rights to give TALAQ. Please let me know your opinion on this.

 

Thanks,

Masthan



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MASTHAN (Self employeed)     09 June 2011

Hello Zeeshan,

I am not clear exactly what you are telling. Could you please speeak in english as I dont understand hindi.

The reason to approach kazi is because we need to give a chance to her for arbitration before we give TALAQ.

Please refer the judgement at https://indiankanoon.org/doc/332673/ , the judgement clearly says that "muslim husband has the power to give TALAQ to his wife but that should be the last option".

 

Thanks,

Masthan

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     09 June 2011

@Masthan

 

As per my understanding of Muslim Law, a husband's pronouncement of "triple-talaq" is final and binding. As per muslim law, when the marriage is contracted, the amount of meher is predecided and hence when you pronouce talaq after proper channel and after giving an opportunity to the wife and the husband to rethik then it becomes binding.

 

Also your personal laws would be applied as there is no other satutary law to stop you from taking talaq. Though you cannot stop the wife to fiel cases like 498A and DV Act etc., but as the talaq has been properly communicated and in the presence of two witnesses so its complete. Also, your brother did not uttered talaq in anger but insisted on his decision even after multiple sessions beore kazi.

 

Having said this, the point of @Zeeshan is incorrect. Muslim marriage is a contract from the day one. If any muslim man wants to give talaq, he would pay meher. So he cannot marry daily.

 

//peace

/Saurabh.V

Tajobsindia (Senior Partner )     09 June 2011

@ Author

1.
Why don't you approach SC and get your position clarified instead of askign same question here in different posts including experts section when it is already so many times already replied by various experts including Lawyers here ? 


However read again the clarity of asked subject from SC

“20. The issues which we formulate for decision so as to resolve the controversy between the two divergent views of this Court are as under:

(1) Whether a Muslim husband has the right to divorce his wife without reasons and at his mere whim and caprice.


(2) Whether the Muslim Law mandates pre-divorce reconciliation between the parties.


(3)
In proceedings for maintenance instituted by a Muslim wife, if her husband makes a plea in his written statement or in any form before the Court concerned that his marriage was dissolved at an earlier date in the Talaq form, even assuming that the fact of such dissolution at an earlier date is not proved, whether the filing of the written statement containing such a plea or making such a statement in other written form or orally of divorce in the Talaq form amounts to the dissolution of marriage under the Muslim Personal Law from the date on which such a statement was made.


(4) Whether mere assertion either in the pleadings or in the witness box amounts to an acknowledgment of divorce given earlier by the husband and he is not required to prove to have given divorce in accordance with Mahomedan Law sometimes prior to the date of such an assertion.


(5) Whether even otherwise an assertion, either in the pleadings or in the witness box or in some application filed in Court by the husband by itself amounts to divorce in accordance with Mahomedan Law from the date of such assertion if not from an earlier date.


(6) Even if it is found that the statement regarding divorce given earlier was false, can the statement in the Court proceedings, be taken as an acknowledgment of divorce or even otherwise a fresh declaration of divorce.


(7) Whether the husband is required to prove that the Talaq was duly effected/ given.


(8)
Whether the husband of a minor or a woman past menopause has the unqualified right to pronounce Talaq at any time either in the Ahsan or Hasan mode. 20A)While dealing with the above formulated issues, we would like to be reminded of the observations made by the Constitution Bench of the Apex Court in the case of "Danial Latifi and another V/s Union of India" (2001) 7 SCC 740 https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1751784/ in the following words:


"20.In interpreting the provisions where matrimonial relationship is involved, we have to consider the social conditions prevalent in our society. In our society, whether they belong to the majority or the minority group, what is apparent is that there exists a great disparity in the matter of economic resourcefulness between a man and a woman. Our society is male dominated, both economically and socially and women are assigned, invariably, a dependent role, irrespective of the class of society to which she belongs."

 

21. It is popularly said that a Muslim marriage is nothing but a civil contract and a large section believes that the husband has an absolute freedom to dissolve the marriage without assigning reasons and at his free will. The Holy Quran as well as the other sources of Personal Law teach us that the process of reaching to the marital tie is certainly a civil contract but once the marriage is solemnised it becomes an institution life long for both husband and the wife and they do not live together by way of a mere contract but in a holy and sacred bond of love, care and mutual respect with equal status to both the partners. It happens, in some cases, that on account of incompatible temperament, extreme divergent upbringings, likes and dislikes or other physical incompatibilities or incapacities, the institution of marriage comes in peril. The Mahomedan Law does recognise the husband tobe on a high pedestal than the wife but that by itself does not mean that he can check-out his wife at his whim and caprice and without assigning any reasons.

 

Islam recognises the principle of equity between the husband and wife during the subsistence of their marital tie. If the husband and wife are not able to get along as partners or to cohabit with happiness, Islam does not force them to continue in such unhappy and unsettling conditions. However, both the parties are given some chance to reform or mend their ways so as to keep the institution of marriage in-tact and this could be achieved by the process of reconciliation between the parties with the intervention of arbiters.

22. A divorce by the husband is Talaq and it has its oral as well as written forms. The oral form of  Talaq can be effected in three modes viz. Talaq-e-Ahsan, Talaq-e-Hasan, Talaq-ul-Biddat or Talaq-e-Badai. The first two forms are conditioned and they are accepted tobe more civilized but while resorting to any of these two forms there are conditions precedent and it is not that the husband is at his free will to resort to any of these modes at any time and without assigning any reasons. If the husband feels that his wife does not care for him, she is incompatible, she does not listen to him, she does not love him, she refuses to cohabit with him, she engages in cruel behaviour, she is unfaithful or for any other reason, he has the right to give Talaq to his wife but by following certain procedure. Firstly, he has to make it known to his wife about any of these reasonsand she must be given time to change her behaviour. If by his direct conversation/ persuasions she does not change her behaviour, the husband has to resort to the process of conciliation by informing to her father or any other parental relations. Two arbitrators, one from wife and one from the husband, are required to be appointed and it shall be the duty of the Arbiters to bring in a settlement between the parties so that they live together happily and inspite of these efforts having been made if the discord still persists to an irreparable level there is no alternative but to separate and it is at this stage that the husband has the right to give Talaq to his wife. The stage of conciliation with the intervention of the arbiters is a condition precedent for effecting Talaq either in Ahsan form or Hasan form.


It will be seen that in all disputes between the husband and the wife the judges are to be appointed from the respective people of the two parties. These judges are required first to try to reconciliate the parties to each other failing which divorce is to be effected. Therefore, though it is the husband, who pronounces the divorce, he is as much bound by the decision of the judges as is the wife. This shows that the husband cannot repudiate the marriage at his will. The case must be first referred to two judges and their decision is binding. Talaq must be for reasonable cause and be preceded by attempts at reconciliation between the husband and the wife by the arbitrators, one from the wifes family and the other from the husbands. If the attempts failed, Talaq may be effected. In other words, an attempt at reconciliation by two relations, one each of the parties, is an essential condition precedent to Talaq.


23. Even if the reconciliation process has been gone through and found to be ineffective or in-vain, the husband has to follow the prescribed procedure for Talaq by Ahsan or Talaq by Hasan mode. Section 11 and 12 of the Compendium deal with proper and improper Talaq whereas section 2 prescribes the conditions governing the essence of Talaq. Even written Talaq in terms of section 3 has several forms. Section 5 has set out the conditions for effectiveness of Talaq and it has laid down the situations where the Talaq would not be effective. The Muslim Law, thus, recognises effective/ proper as well as ineffective/ improper Talaq and while exercising the right of Talaq it is imperative that the husbands action of invoking this right meets these requirements. Lest, the Talaq will be ineffective or invalid or improper. The utterances/pronouncements aimed at Talaq-e-Ahsan or Talaq-e-Hasan are required to be made during a specific period i.e. a Tuhr (period between menstruation) followed by abstinence from s*xual intercourse during the period of Iddat. In the later form three pronouncements are required to be made during successive Tuhrs and no intercourse taken place during any of the three Tuhrs.


Thus, the period of Iddat varies from 90 to 130 days. A Talaq in Ahsan mode becomes irrevocable and complete on the expiration of the period of Iddat, whereas a Talaq in Hasan mode becomes irrevocable and complete on the third pronouncement irrespective of Iddat. Until Talaq becomes irrevocable the husband has the option to revoke it which may be done either expressly or impliedly as by resuming s*xual intercourse. In a non-consumated marriage pronouncing a single Talaq even though the wife is in menstruation, will be Talaq-e-Hasan. Pronouncing three Talaqs in three months on a minor or a woman past menopause is also Talaq-e-Hasan. These modes are required tobe followed so as to rule out the possibility that the wife has conceived and if the divorced woman is pregnant, her Iddat period is till the end of pregnancy. The Iddat period, thus, varies in three different forms depending on the physical conditions of the wife and these are three menstruation courses. After the date of divorce if she is subject to menstruation, three lunar months after she is divorced if she is not subject to menstruation and if she is in enceinte at the time of her divorce the period between the divorce and the delivery of her child or the termination of her pregnancy whichever is earlier. The pronouncement of Talaq by the husband in the oral form or giving Talaq in writing has to necessarily satisfy all these conditions of pronouncing the Talaq at a particular time and such a Talaq must be valid and effective. It is not that on his sweet will the husband has the unqualified prerogative to exercise this right of pronouncing Talaq. Uncontrolled use of divorce without regard to the restrictions established by the Shariat is a sin. To divorce the wife, without reason, only to harm her or revengeful due to the non-fulfilment of the husbands unlawful demands by the wife or her guardians and to divorce her in violation of the procedure prescribed by the Shariat is Haram (absolutely prohibited).


The Holy Quran expressly forbids a man to seek divorce so long as she remains faithful and obedient to him. However, it is also true that if there is no temperamental compatibility between the parties or the man feels that he cannot, as husband, fulfill the woman’s rights or because of mutual difference of nature, Gods limits cannot be maintained, keeping the marriage in-tact, in such situation compel the parties by legal restrictions to continue the marital life may be more harmful for the society. It is, thus, clear that the Islam discards divorce in principle and permits it only when it has become altogether impossible for the parties to live together in peace and harmony. Divorce is permissible in Islam only in cases of extreme emergency. Mere registration of divorce, even if proved, will not render valid a divorce which is otherwise invalid under the Muslim Law. Even if there is any reasonable cause for the divorce yet there must be evidence to show that there was an attempt for a settlement prior to the divorce and when there was no such attempt to arrive at a settlement by mediators, there cannot be a valid divorce under the Islamic Law."
 

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     09 June 2011

Hi  Saurabh,

 

Thanks for your reply.

Now what I need to do? Shall I reply to her notice ? Saying that "498A/DP3/DP4/125CRPC issues are not related to divorce and hence the divorce is valid. and also these cases are false and we are going to fight for the same while ,moving in my life. Divorce is valid irrespective of the other cases"

 

Please let me know what I need to reply to him. Can we register the muslim divorce with court ?

Thanks,

Masthan

 

 

Tajobsindia (Senior Partner )     09 June 2011

Further to above citation the conlcuding part is reproduced for clarity here;
 

“24. However, there is a third form of oral Talaq and that is Bidai. This Talaq-e-Biddat or Bidai
(improper Talaq) within the meaning of section 12 of Islamic Laws and it includes in a consummated marriage divorcing the wife during menstruation or divorcing her in a Tuhr after coitus or pronouncing an irrevocable divorce or pronouncing more than one Talaq in single Tuhr and in an unconsummated marriage pronouncing together more than one Talaq or pronouncing more than one Talaq in a single month on a minor or a woman past menopause. Though such a form is prohibited but if person pronounces such a Talaq it will be effective while the man will be guilty of severe sin. Thus, the Talaq-e-Biddat or Bidai form is sinful or may be described as barbaric or is prohibited but if the husband pronounces such a Talaq it would not be unlawful. Mr. R.K.Wilson, in his digest of Anglo-Mahomedan Law (5th Edition) at page 136 stated on the law of divorce in the following words: "The divorce called Talaq may be either irrevocable (bain) or revocable (rajai). A Talaq-e-bain, while it always operates as an immediate and complete dissolution of the marriage bond differs as to one of its ulterior effects according to the form in which it is pronounced. A Talaq-e-bain may be effected by words addressed to the wife clearly indicating an intention to dissolve the marriage either (a) once, followed by abstinence from s*xual intercourse for the period called "Iddat" or, (b) three times during successive intervals of puberty i.e. between three successive menstruations, no intercourse taking place during any of the three intervals, or (c) three times at shorter intervals or even in immediate succession, or (d) once, by words showing a clear intention that the divorce shall immediately become irrevocable. The first name of the above method is called as


"Ahsan" (best), the second "Hasan" (good), the third and fourth are said to be "Biddat" (sinful) but are nevertheless regarded by Sunni Lawyers as legally valid.


In the case of "Syed Rashid Ahmed and another V/s Anisa Khatun and others" (supra) Ghiyas Uddin had given Talaq on
13th September, 1905
to Anisa Khatun by pronouncing the triple Talaq of divorce in the presence of witnesses. The words of divorce addressed to the wife, though she was not present, were repeated three times by Ghiyas Uddin "I divorce Anisa Khatun forever and render her Haram for me". These words clearly showed an intention to dissolve the marriage. The Privy Council held that there can be no doubt that the method adopted was the fourth, above described, and it was confirmed so by the deed of divorce which stated that the three divorces were given "in the abominable form" i.e. "Biddat". The Privy Council also held that the High Court committed an error in treating the divorce as in the "Ahsan" form instead of "Biddat" form in which the divorce at once becomes irrevocable but irrespective of the Iddat and it is not necessary that the wife should be present when the Talaq is pronounced and her right to alimony may continue until she is informed of the divorce. The Privy Council also held that once the divorce is held proved such facts could not undo its effect. It is, thus, necessary that the factum of divorce is required to be proved and the conditions precedent for such valid or effective divorce are as stated in the Holy Quran, of reconciliation by the arbitrators or by appointing judges and for specific reasons unless the divorce is in the third and fourth form i.e. Biddat or Bidai and Rajazi.


Islam also recognises the husbands right to give Talaq in front of Qazi or the wifes father or two witnesses, both of them being man professing Islam or one of them being a man and other two being women all professing Islam and such a Talaq, either in the Ahsan or Hasan form will be irrevocable.


Nevertheless, in this form also the conditions for reconciliation and giving reasons for Talaq are required to be followed so that the husband and wife are restrained from an undesirable act of divorce which leads to several problems in the family. If the man is sure that he cannot have cohabitation as per rule, that if he is impotent or cannot fulfil marital obligations or any other such situation exists, it would be necessary for him to pronounce a divorce and in such a situation he may be justified in invoking the Talaq-e-Biddat or Bidai form of Talaq.


25. In the written form of Talaq there is no prescribed format but the conditions for effective or proper Talaq, as are applicable in the oral form of Talaq, are also applicable to the written form of Talaq and the pronouncements of divorce are required tobe communicated to the wife. In the absence of words, showing a different intention, a divorce in writing operates as an irrevocable divorce and takes effect immediately on its execution. Such a Talaq in writing is required to be addressed to the wife and absence of such an address leads to ineffective/ invalid Talaq.


The husband must address to his wife and pronounce the Talaq in writing. If such a pronouncement is not addressed to the wife it becomes ineffective and invalid.


26. The above discussion does indicate that mere pronouncement of Talaq by the husband or merely declaring his intentions or his acts of having pronounced the Talaq is not sufficient and does not meet the requirements of law. In every such exercise of right to Talaq the husband is required to satisfy the preconditions of arbitration for reconciliation and reasons for Talaq. Conveying his intentions to divorce the wife are not adequate to meet the requirements of Talaq in the eyes of law. All the stages of conveying the reasons for divorce, appointment of arbiters, the arbiters resorting to conciliation proceedings so as to bring reconciliation between the parties and the failure of such proceedings or a situation where it was impossible for the marriage to continue, are required to be proved as condition precedent for the husbands right to give Talaq to his wife. It is, thus, not merely the factum of Talaq but the conditions preceding to this stage of giving Talaq are also required to be proved when the wife disputes the factum of Talaq or the effectiveness of Talaq or the legality of Talaq before a Court of law. Mere statement made in writing before the Court, in any form, or in oral depositions regarding the Talaq having been pronounced sometimes in the past is not sufficient to hold that the husband has divorced his wife and such a divorce is in keeping with the dictates of Islam.


It is a fallacious argument that in case of a minor or a woman past menopause, the oral Talaq in the form of Ahsan or Hasan could be pronounced by the husband at any time or at his sweet will as in such cases there is no Iddat. However, the period of Iddat has been specifically defined and even in such cases there is a waiting period of three lunar months even though there is no occurrence of menstruation. The view taken by this Court in the case of Chandbi Ex W/o Bandeshah Mujawar (supra) cannot be accepted as a good law.


27. Pleadings before the Court, though made on oath, either in writing or in oral form, when disputed by the wife, are required to be proved and when it comes to proving all these pleadings the process is governed by the common law viz. the Civil Procedure Code and Evidence Act etc. and mere statement on oath, either in writing or in oral form itself does not prove the factum of divorce as well as valid or effective divorce. If the Talaq pronounced is ineffective or invalid it is no divorce under the Mahomedan Personal Law. It is also required to be noted, at this stage, that though the husband has the right to divorce his wife, he also has the right to revoke the said pronouncement and take her back, as his wife, provided the divorce has not become irrevocable. This also shows the tolerance of Islam that after having uttered divorce once, the wife is provided an opportunity for reformation/ correction and to take steps accordingly so that the institution of marriage is saved. It is possible that sometimes the husband pronounces Talaq in haste and subsequently repents for it and, therefore, before the Talaq has reached its irrevocable stage, the husband has the right to retrieve himself from such an extreme step and reconciliation with the situation and correct himself.


28. Even in case of irrevocable Talaq in the presence of a Qazi or the wifes father or two witnesses the factum of this form of Talaq is required to be proved, if challenged before a competent court in appropriate proceedings. This may involve examining either the Qazi or the father or the witnesses. If there are two witnesses, both of them must be professing Islam. If there is only one male witness and remaining two are women all of them must be professing Islam. Their presence, when the husband pronounced Talaq and his so pronouncing Talaq, are required to be proved if the factum of valid Talaq is questioned by the wife. Mere assertion by the husband, in any form, is not sufficient to hold that he has exercised the right to give Talaq legally and validly.


If any of the witnesses does not profess Islam, the Talaq given in his/ her presence shall be invalid and inoperative.


29. If the husband has not been able to prove his statement regarding divorce given earlier to making such a statement before the Court, there does not exist a Talaq in the eyes of law and such a statement cannot be taken as a fresh declaration of divorce; as mere declaration of divorce is not sufficient, by itself, for a valid divorce. Even if such statement in writing or made orally before the Court is supported by a Talaknama, which may be a record of the fact of an oral Talaq or may be the deed by which the divorce is effected but that supportive document by itself does not lead to a conclusion that the Talaq was valid, effective and legal. Under the Wakf Act there is also a provision of registration of Talaq and a certificate to that effect is issued by the Qazi. In most of these cases, the Talaknamas are customary and unless the factum of Talaq is proved, these documents in isolation have no sanctity in support of a valid Talaq. Mere existence of this document does not make the Talaq valid or legal and, therefore, it is necessary that the factum of Talaq and the stages it is preceded by, are required to be proved before the Court, if disputed by the wife and mere intentions of the husband while making such a statement before the Court cannot be accepted tobe a valid Talaq from the date such a statement was made before the Court and in any form.


30. Let us consider now specific cases of husband taking the plea of having divorced his wife:

(a) In the written statement filed before the Court the husband takes a plea of divorce given on some date in the past and files a copy of the Talaqnama and/ or divorce certificate with such a written statement.

(b) The husband does not say anything about the divorce in the written statement and while in the witness box takes a plea of divorce given on some earlier date and produces in support a copy of the Talaqnama and/ or divorce certificate as issued by the Qazi.

(c) In the written statement the husband takes a plea that he has given divorce to the claimant on any date earlier in the presence of a Qazi or in the presence of the father or in the presence of two or three witnesses professing Islam.

(d) In his written statement the husband takes a plea of divorce given on an earlier date in the presence of two or three witnesses and one of them does not profess Islam.

(e) In the written statement or while in the witness box the husband invokes his right of Talaq under the Ahsan or Hasan form.

(If) In the written statement the husband takes a plea that on a given date he had pronounced the triple Talaq of divorce in the presence of witnesses, though in the absence of the wife, and the words addressed to the wife were repeated three times as follows:

"I divorce my wife "Smt." forever and render her Haram for me."
And, in support thereof, copy of the Talaqnama or deed of divorce or certificate of divorce is produced.


31. On the proceedings initiated by the wife before a competent Court the divorce allegedly given by the  husband in the first three forms (a) to (c), if disputed about its factum, cannot be valid and operative. Such a divorce will be fictitious and inoperative unless the husband proves his plea of any of these forms of Talaq before the Court by leading evidence. Mere taking such plea, even in a statement on oath, does not by itself operate as a divorce from the date it is so made because there are conditions precedent to such a form of Talaq and it is required to be exercised during a particular period. The husband is required to discharge his burden of proving that he had no physical relationship with the wife during the waiting period and the reasons for exercising such a right are required to be putforth. The factum of conciliation or arbitration is also one of the conditions preceding the process of Talaq in any of these forms namely "Ahsan" and "Hasan".


In the (d) form even if the factum of divorce is proved it cannot be held to be a valid divorce as one of the witnesses does not belong to the Mahomedan religion and as per the Holy Quran it is a condition precedent that both witnesses (men) must profess Islam and in case one witness is a man the other witnesses must be two women and all of them must profess Islam.


Any breach in this regard results into an invalid Talaq as being contrary to the command of the Holy Quran, even though the factum of divorce may be established before the Court.


In the fifth form i.e. (e) it would not be enough for the husband to invoke his right of giving Talaq under the "Ahsan" or "Hasan" form before the Court by way of written statement or while in the witness box and under oath. It is not in each case that the husband and wife (the two litigating parties before the Court) are staying under different roofs and similarly the wife may take a plea that the husband did not observe the condition precedent in that regard.


The burden then falls on the husband to prove these conditions of abstinence from s*xual intercourse. In addition, he has to set out before the Court the reasons for such a divorce and whether he had sought the help of arbitrators for reconciliation at any time before the wife approached the Court before he filed his written statement or before he appeared in the witness box to take such a plea of Talaq.


However, in the last contingency the divorce becomes effective and irrevocable forthwith and the wife becomes "Haram" for the husband. If the husband claims to have exercised his right of divorce in the form of Biddat/ Bidai or Rajai, in the written statement on an earlier occasion the divorce is complete and irrevocable provided the factum of due Talaq given in this form, on an earlier occasion, is duly proved before the Court. The words uttered for giving Talaq in these two forms or in any of them are required to be proved before the Court and mere statement of the husband or the proof in support thereof by way of Talaqnama or deed of divorce or certificate of divorce will not be sufficient to prove the factum of having exercised this power sometimes in the past. This view is inconsonance with the law laid down by the Privy Council in Anisa Khatuns case (supra).


32. We accordingly hold, with profound respect, that the view taken in Jaitunbis case (supra) does not meet the requirements of the Mahomedan Personal Law for a valid and irrevocable divorce. The plea taken by the husband in his written statement that he had given Talaq at an earlier date shall not amount to the dissolution of marriage under the Muslim Personal Law from the date on which such a statement was made unless such a Talaq is duly proved and it is further proved that it was given by following the conditions precedent viz. that of arbitration/ reconciliation and for valid reasons and more so when the mode of divorce alleged to have been given in the "Ahsan" or "Hasan" form. The factum of divorce is required to be proved, including the conditions precedent therefor, by evidence both oral and documentary, when the same is disputed by the wife before a competent Court of law. We agree with the view taken subsequently by a Division Bench of this Court in the case of "Saira Banu" (supra) and further lay down the clarifications, as set out herein above. We hold that the view taken by the Gauhati High Court in the case of Mast. Rukia Khatun (supra) and Zeenat Fatima Rashid (supra) is more in tune with the ethos of Islamic Personal Law. However, if the husband relies upon the Biddat or Rajai form of Talaq given at an earlier occasion either in his written statement or in his oral depositions, he is required to prove the factum of the same by leading evidence before the Court, if disputed by the wife.


33. We answer the reference in the above opinion and direct the office to place the Petition alongwith the connected matters, if any, before the appropriate Single Bench.


34. We record our appreciations for the able assistance rendered by both the amicus curiae.”

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     09 June 2011

talaq and 498a are diffrent issues.

both are seperate and no relation.

498a is cruelty to wife. so far she is wife, she can pray for 498a.

 regarding talaq, it is yr personal liberty, you may get it according to your will. no bar is there.

but she can pray 498a for that period so far she is/was  your wife.

reply of 498a given according to the complains of 498a

have you received the chargesheet?

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     09 June 2011

Hi Arup, Yes, I received the charge sheet of 498A , one year ago and we gone to HC for quash and the quash is pending before HC. Thanks, Masthan

syed (Branch incharge)     09 June 2011

Dear Masthan,

Hope still you are mixing all the related cases in one,

Shariate law is totally different that build base on Haram and Halal - Talaq procedure comes in shariate law

Its all depend on husband - if he has pronounce Talaq - three different times with valid iddat period - then that is final - you cannot take back that wife - as that wife is haram to you

Also triple Talaq in one go is not valid

A kiazi can be witnessed to talaq but he cant authorized

Once you complete the talaq process, you submit all the documents to court

Other cases you have to fight

but no one cant force you to take back "Haram"

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     09 June 2011

Hi Syed,

I am not mixing things. Instead of typing "498A wife relied to TALAQ notice, I typed as 498A replied" it is just typo mistake.

 

Are there any judgments which says triple TALAQ is not valid?

Thanks,

Masthan

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     09 June 2011

Hi Zeeshan,

 

It would be great if you could type in ENGLISH. 

 

-Masthan

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     09 June 2011

@tajobs

 

Your long monotonous reply (though very informative) is infructuous for layman visitors. Those who are professionals may take a print out of this hard-earned judgement provided by you but an author (like the one for this post) would never go into the details, neither would he understand it.

 

I suggest you state your advice crisply and in brief. It would be great help to those who need experts like you.

 

//peace

/Saurabh.V

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     09 June 2011

quash is pending before HC

---   is hc stayed on 498a or that case also going on?

Tajobsindia (Senior Partner )     09 June 2011

@ Zeeshan, Mastan and Saurabh in this exact order

1.  @ Zeeshan - I understood your DJ Doll remix don't worry I understand little more which you may sing here also........


2. @ Mastan - You have asked this question no. of times here as well as in SIF internet Yahoo groups as well as on ground meetings of SIF. No. of experts, laymen, lawyers and rtd. Judge members helped you interpreting thew issue and when exact citation based on interpreting your main issues are quoted by me here you still could not understand then it is better to study law yourself.


3. @ Saurabh - Mastan is layman and or a casual visitor is your haste comment. Go into his Forum messages (profile) you will see how many times he has asked the same que. and how many times same que. is answered just for one person. A Laymen when he comes here in such legal forums he does not come with empty head as is the case of @ Mastan. He knows Laws and has good discussions till date here in LCI as well as various SIF internet Yahoo groups also quite well and as on ground via his brother. Regarding monotonous reply I suggest you as a quite active Law Student member of LCI read the re. citation where all raised and many more issues of @ Mastan are clearly interpreted and still if he and or you can't understand a legal reply as you may seek only tailor made for yourself then I have nothing more to say to this post thread.


PS.: I can bring @ Mastan to a well but I can't force him and or his brother to drink from the same well. Some people just want till eternity spoon feedings and nothing else.

syed (Branch incharge)     09 June 2011

Dear Masthan,

As per sharia triple talaq in one go is not valid - you must process all the forms of reconciliation - you must give time to your wife ( IDDAT Period) - after then too your wife didnt join then the talaq is completed and she is haram to you

If you have not followed the process then she has rights to fight the case until she is halal to you

You can find many judegments here " just give a serach in top of the page"

Rest our LCI seniors are guiding you propely


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