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Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     05 December 2010

" Buddha had not sufficient will power therefore he might have returned to home and might not have successful in adjusting in Grihasth life and then again left the home !!! "

- Buddha had not sufficient will power.

Buddha had sufficient will power.

the theory of buddha is - to go to the middle of the path. neither too sacrifise, nor too enjoyment (bilasita). the midle way is the best. he followed that line in his religion and life.

actually buddhaism was formed and get popularity as a protest of the then hinduism. on that time one group of hindus gave importence on hard sacrifice for the purpose of religion, another group of hindus gave importence on enjoyment. castism was too much. as an example, bali pratha was there, - to eat the meat, some hindus take help of religion. such things were opposed by buddhaism. and it became popular, specially among dalit castes of that time.

under this context buddha spread his ism.

i could not remember whether buddha met her family or not..

he genarelly lived with his students and followers not with his family.


 

Renuka Gupta ( Gender Researcher )     05 December 2010

A group of 2-3 persons...???

Their view is not correct....????

Do you mean to say the point of view because it is expressed by two/three persons is wrong? 

Did you want to say two/three person or a group of two/three persons? 

BTW, In my reply to Dr. Tripathi I had explained my objection to the language of associates and groups. Can't 2/3 persons or even more express themselves in their individual capacities? 

What methods you adopted for your census? It seems to be very biased.

How can you say two/three persons? Are you sure this view is only of 2/3 persons? Do you include the author of the article in your census? 

And finally on what authority you can say that a particular view is not correct? 

I know you will have an answer for each questions, but they may not necessarily be the final one on the issue,  looked at from the other perspective...

so much for the right and correct answer!!

Finally, I know when to and when not to reply to a reply...

 

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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     05 December 2010

Below is the Poem Reply of Ram to Brother Bharat and Mata Kaikeyee of Rastra kavi Maithili Sharan Gupt.

 

Even though the shattered younger brother Bharat and repentant mother Kaikayi pleaded with Ram to return to Ayodhya, Ram would rather carry out first the instructions from his now dead father Dashrath, and complete the 14 years banvaas before returning and becoming the king of Ayodhya. This excerpt follows the pleading of Bharat and Kaikayi that should be read first - Rajiv Krishna Saxena

 

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     05 December 2010

Below is the Poem "Repetence of Mata Kaikeyee" by Rastra kavi Maithili Sharan Gupt.

Just Imagine the patience and greatness of Mata kaushalya.

Some times a person commits such a blunder that he / she is forced to repent for the rest of the life. Kaikayi, the darling youngest wife of Dashratha did one such blunder when she forced the king to give the kingdom to her son Bharat and banish the elder stepson Ram to live in forests for 14 years. Dashratha died from this shock, and Bharat who loved the elder brother Ram too much, was outraged and indignant on this act of his mother Kaikayi. We can imagine the mental state of Kaikayi. In the previous excerpt from Saket, Bharat and Kaikayi along with many others from Ayodhya visit Ram in the forest. After completing the last rites of Dashratha, as the night fell, everyone gathered in an assembly where Bharat expressed his deep anguish at the turn of events and his boundless love for the elder brother. Repentant Kaikayi quiet till now, speaks out at this juncture and the present excerpt (from Saket Mahakavya by Rashtra Kavi Maithili Sharan Gupt Ji) tells what she feels and wants. Please click here to read the previous excerpt before this one. - Rajiv Krishna Saxena

 

 

 

Source / Link of all the poems this one and above one is below,

 

https://www.geeta-kavita.com/indian_poetry_list.asp?author=Maithili_Sharan_Gupt-_Rashtra_Kavi

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     05 December 2010

Here none is wrong or cruel Mata kaikeyee, Goddess Sita, or Surpnakha,

The Ultimate thing is

Hoihe soi jo Ram Rachi Rakha, Kokari tark Badawahi Sakha.

What Lord Ram Has willed will only Happen.

Swami Sadashiva Brahmendra Sar (Nil)     06 December 2010

 

 

निगाहें नाखुदा तेरी, कहीं इधर तो नहीं !
मेरे सीने में भी दिल है , पत्थर तो नहीं।
छोड़ के जाएँ कहाँ हुस्न हसीनों की गली,
मस्जिदों में ईमान का बसर तो नहीं।
श्रेय के संग प्रेय का जायका मुमकिन कहाँ,
ऐ मन तेरे मुताबिक मिली उमर तो नहीं।

बहुत मीठी है, रसीली है जुबां उसकी,
डरता हूँ, इस शहद में जहर तो नहीं!

- Composed by Dr. V.N. Tripathi

"श्रेय के संग प्रेय .."  - based on Kathopnishad

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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     06 December 2010

 

मोको कहाँ ढूंढ़े रे बन्दे मैं तो तेरे पास में...


मोको कहाँ ढूंढ़ं रे बन्दे मैं तो तेरे पास में।
ना तीरथ में ना मूरत में, ना एकान्त निवास में।
ना मंदिर में ना मस्जिद में, ना काशी कैलाश में।
ना मैं जप मे ना मैं तप में, ना मैं व्रत उपवास में।
ना मैं क्रियाकर्म में रहता, ना ही योग सन्यास में।
नहिं प्राण में नहिं पिण्ड में, ना ब्रह्मांड आकाश में।
ना मैं भृकुटी भंवर गुफा में, सब श्वासन की श्वास में।ं,
खीजी होय तुरत मिल जा इस पल की तलाश में।
कहैं कबीर सुनो भाई साधो, मैं तो हूं विश्वास में ।
  

 

 

https://www.bhojpuri.org/kabir.htm

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DEFENSE ADVOCATE.-firmaction@g (POWER OF DEFENSE IS IMMENSE )     06 December 2010

This is modern life concept of rights and duties of men and women which was not there  in ancient times.

With slow decay of families we may find another set of laws with changing times. Like you may have to take permission to give birth to a child and in some defferent context it is now happening in china.

While we are talking of rights and what not about woman but now in China many men can not get married till end due to shortage of woman so after death one of the ritual is marriage of dead man with a woman doll before final rites.

This is how time plays its role on human systems.


Swami Sadashiva Brahmendra Sar (Nil)     06 December 2010

Every word of Kabir is appreciable specially , " मैं तो हूं विश्वास में ।"

God is nothing but belief. and belief may be different for different people. All are correct. somewhere you have quoted "Jaki rahi bhaavnaa jaisi , Hari murati dekhi tin taisi" . I see no difference among Buddha, Ram, Allah, Granth Sahib, Christ, or whatever beliefs are followed. Special feature of our sanaatan dharma is that it does not criticize any other belief rather all beliefs are already contained in our epics in some form or other to explain the same God in different words and style.

Further, it is not only God that is matter of  belief . Worldly things are also subject to belief. Democracy is nothing but belief. An office is nothing but belief. Parliament is nothing but belief. A court or it's order is nothing but belief.

Only thing we need is to believe in good things . And what is good thing? –

“Ashtadash puraneshu vyaasasya vachanadvayam, paropkaaraay punyaay paapaay parpeednam” . No religion can criticize this principle i.e the essence of all religions is - doing good work for others is dharma and harming others is adharma or sin. Even no law or legal system can deny this principle.

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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     06 December 2010

Jaat Na Puchhiye Sadhu Ki, Puchh Lijiye Gyan!

Mol Karo Talwar Ki, Padi Rahne Do Myan!!

 

--Saint Kabir

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Swami Sadashiva Brahmendra Sar (Nil)     06 December 2010

Regarding existence of Maaya Moksha and God the   Vedavyaas says in skand puraan -

"Na bandhosti na mokshosti brahmaivaasti niramayam;

naikamasti  na cha dvitvam satchitkaar vijrimbhate."

He not only denied  existence of  Maya but also Moksha. He said , there is nothing but omnipresence of God.

It is we who are dividing , categorizing and criticizing the God .

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Swami Sadashiva Brahmendra Sar (Nil)     06 December 2010

Yes, there is no difference among Vedvyaas, Tulsi, Kabir and other saints or in their teachings.
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Swami Sadashiva Brahmendra Sar (Nil)     06 December 2010

Vedvyaas has said in Shrimadbhaagvatam (3/6/33) that "Shudra" is greatest among all castes.

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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     06 December 2010

Sarv Dahrm Sambhav,

 Vasudhaiva Kutubkkam,

Viswa Ka kayan ho,

Praniyon Me Sadbhavana Ho,

These are the mantras/slogans of Sanatan Dharm.

Human beings are divine. According to Vivekananda, an important teaching he received from Ramakrishna was that "Jiva is Shiva" (each individual is divinity itself).

hedevil hydraheaded (non professional )     06 December 2010

What a great Joke on this day of Babasaheb's Mahaparinirvan Din....I would not have expected a better one....

Now I have some questions for everyone who used patronising and condescending expressions...

if Shudra were so respected then

 

Then why shudra's were not allowed to enter temples and be priests? Why were they not allowed to enter institution of higher education? Even now hwy there are protests and riots when they dare enter the temples? Why it becomes a landmark news when a Shudra gets appointed as a temple priest? Why everyone did not carry on our heads our own sh*t,? Why Shudra's  shadows were avoided? 

Why Eklavya had to cut off his thumb? Why did not he become Guru? Why was he incapacitated in the skill he excelled by his own sweat....? He was better than others ofcourse because he kept no rancour at the way he was treated like scum of earth....

Why respectable shudra  remained at the outskirts in shanty houses and even now why their Bastis have least of amenities? Even now they work as scavenger, in spite of the laws in place against the practice! 

All these patronising and condescending expressions, will not let for a moment anyone forget, that the term Shudra was a big blot on the culture and religion which justified it.

 

IIt's'better to accept blind spots of those institutions which created and perpetrated such inhuman and barbaric practices rather than having Khisiyayi Billi Khamba Nauche attitude .. invite people to add onto this WHY LIST...This list is not exhaustive ........

Please do not pay attention to the typos....I will not be able to correct them immediately...as I am under some sort of restriction of not before one hour due to perhaps some technical snag....


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