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CORRUPTION

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girishankar (manager)     18 February 2010

Subject: [IHRO] Arun Jaitley Corrupting Supreme Court / Crippling Law Enforcement

 

 

Arun Jaitley Corrupting Supreme Court / Crippling Law Enforcement

 

·        Absconder Surrendered in 17 Days > 72 Children Reported Missing in 17 Days in Delhi.

 

Arun Jaitley, front runner to Prime Minister in coming years, as criminal lawyer has done nothing to improve India’s Judiciary but has certainly “Corrupted It” is exemplified by this effort to Corrupt & Sabotage not just Supreme Court but entire Judiciary and Law Enforcement.

 

It will shock people of this country to discover The Accused Knocked Down two bikers, one died and other seriously injured, didn’t stop to take them to the hospital and police was hunting him for 17 days, in exactly the same number of days 72 children go missing – kidnapped by criminals for begging or ransom, mostly never return and police is unable to trace them.

 

Absconders can’t be allowed bail was the reason for denying bail at lower level.

 

People who sabotage and corrupt judicial & law enforcement system are aspiring to be nations Law Minister & Even Prime Minister.

 

Ravinder Singh

February21, 2009

 

SC grants bail to teen accused in BMW case

 

TIMES NEWS NETWORK January21, 2009

 

New Delhi: The Supreme Court on Friday granted bail to Utsav Bhasin taking pity on the teenager, who has spent more than four months in jail for allegedly driving his father’s BMW car in a rash and negligent manner and knocking down a motorcyclist in September last year.


   What clinched the relief for the accused was the fact that the Delhi Police told a Bench comprising Justices S B Sinha and Mukundakam Sharma that the investigation into the case has been completed and charge-sheet filed in the trial court.


   While this meant that Bhasin was no longer required to be readily available for the purpose of probe, his counsel —senior advocate Arun Jaitley and lawyer Manoj Taneja — sneaked in the emotional point by arguing that the teenager has faced a lot of hardship by being lodged in prison for more than four months.


   The Bench, without going into the merits of the case and the value of the evidence collected by the police, ordered Bhasin to be released from prison on bail.


   ‘‘Keeping in view the fact that the appellant is in jail for the last more than four months and furthermore in view of the fact that the charge-sheet has been filed, we direct that he be released on bail on his furnishing bail bonds in the sum of Rs 50,000, with two sureties of the like amount,’’ it said while allowing his appeal against an order of the Delhi HC refusing bail.


   Bhasin has been in jail since September 27 last year, when he surrendered before the police in the case relating to an accident on September 11 caused by his alleged rash and negligent driving.


   Son of a Haryana industrialist, Bhasin was accused of hitting a motorcycle near Moolchand flyover in the dead of night on September 11 last year. Two men on the motorcycle were seriously injured in the impact, one of whom died later.


   The HC had rejected Bhasin’s bail plea mainly on the ground that the young man had run away from the spot. ‘‘Taking into account the gravity of the case and his conduct and the fact that the case is at an initial stage, the accused doesn’t deserve to be granted bail,’’ the HC had said.

RASH DRIVING

Sept 10-11, 2008

Utsav Bhasin allegedly rams his BMW into a two-wheeler, resulting in death of one person

Sept 26

The Delhi High Court dismisses his anticipatory bail

Sept 27

Bhasin surrenders, sent to judicial custody

Jan 1, 2009

HC dismisses regular bail. His bail plea had earlier been dismissed by lower court too

Feb 20, 2009

SC enlarges Bhasin on bail

 

 

girishankar (manager)     18 February 2010

A Tribune Debate
Judges vs Judges
Make the Constitution a living reality
by Harish Salve

The debate on judicial activism has been raging with varying intensity over the past few years, and has acquired a new life as it were, by the observations in a recent judgment of the Supreme Court. The underlying message of the critics deserves to be articulated plainly – that two courageous judges of the Supreme Court have candidly admitted that they were doing something horribly wrong and now its time the courts limited themselves to the role of a dispute resolution tribunal, leaving the politicians and the civil servants to deal with the woes of the people. The judgment, if read carefully, says nothing of the sort.

Is judicial activism — to wit — entertaining PILs that seek redress against executive (and at time political) apathy a deviant from the constitutionally ascribed role of the court? Is the power of judicial review into such apathy too dangerous to be left to these judges, who should now stick to deciding civil suits, tax appeals, criminal cases and the like?

Indisputably on occasion the High Court and (at least once or twice) the Supreme Court may have crossed the line — these are errors. If the court should stop entertaining PILs because they have erred on occasion, then Parliament and state legislatures should stop making laws because they too have made some laws that were unconstitutional (Parliament affirmed the phoney emergency only to humour Mrs Gandhi — yet continues to enjoy all its powers).

The governors should not appoint chief ministers because of the way in which some governors have abused this power, the President should not dismiss state governments for the manner in which this power has been misused, and most of all the powers of the ministers taken away for reasons far too many to count. If institutions were denuded of their powers for their follies, democratic government may as well be wound up.

The constitution confers the powers to issue writs upon both the High Courts and the Supreme Court (in the latter case only to enforce fundamental rights), without any express limitations upon its exercise. The courts have evolved rules of self restraint, to respect the separation of powers, and to bring order and discipline into the exercise of this vast power.

One archaic rule, that the court would entertain a petition only to vindicate a private wrong (i.e. to give relief to a person directly affected) was cast away in its country of origin when the English courts entertained a petition by Mr Blackburn who sought an enforcement of the laws against p*rnography in Soho. If the English judges could entertain a “PIL” why should Indian judges lag behind.

Another rule was that the court would not “interfere” with executive or legislative functions –in the old days, judges expressed helplessness in dealing with executive apathy. But where fundamental rights of citizens are at stake, the modern judge considers it his duty to issue appropriate directions to the executive to do their job as mandated by the law and the constitution, without fear and without favor. The rule of non-interference has been relaxed but only in those areas where the matter can be resolved by “judicially manageable standards”.

Where sensitive constitutional rights suffer for want of legislative measures (e.g. the rights of women to gender justice, rights of students) the courts have issued directions that formulate a code of conduct pending framing of rules — all these have been rooted in Art. 21 — the right to life and liberty, or article 14 — the right to equality.

The classical writ of mandamus is a direction to carry out a statutory duty- and that writ was issued to enforce environment laws made by Parliament to protect the air, the water, the wildlife, flora and fauna, and the forests.

The courts do not decide policy, but if enforcement of fundamental (or other legal rights) require the executive or Parliament taking such policy decisions, the court acts as a catalyst — it nudges the decision making process. These broad lines may have been crossed on occasion — but the task is so enormous, a few errors en route are inevitable.

The shrill debate has been sparked by the steadfast refusal of the court to yield to political and populist compulsions (latest example is the reservation issue): The instances of the court crossing the line is a convenient stick to beat them with. The court has also taken upon itself to enforce transparency(from hawala to fodder scam). It is this that upsets the political class, trying to survive in a fractured polity where the politics of coalitions calls for incessant compromises.

The sealing case is a good example. The sorry state of the capital is a tribute to lack of governance, a system in which outdated town planning laws were selectively enforced against those who could not “afford” to violate them, while those who had the “resources” could violate the law with impunity — undoubtedly for a price. The order of the court left the government looking red faced and forced a rethink on planning — and quickly at that! Reasonable laws and fair enforcement would displace a corrupt regime. The court spoiled a nice party.

In a working democracy, there should no occasion for the court to deal with such issues. If the High Court has to deal with nursery admissions, it is because the government (who is supposed to oversee education) did nothing to address the trauma caused to little children by the “interview” — which they were ready to condemn in court!

If the court has to give directions to reform the police system, it is because the political system refused to implement the reforms recommended by one police commission after the other for the principal reason that it would dilute the control of the politician over the police force. Scratch an order of the court, and underlying it you will find a sorry story of bad governance.

There is today a serious imbalance upon the institutions, and the public expectation from the judiciary is scary. If the situation is not repaired, a day will come when the people will feel let down by the judiciary — the judges can only do so much, they cannot and believe me — will not — run the government.

Other institutions of governance have to be rebuilt if democracy has to survive — until such time as that happens, the judges will have to soldier on to make the constitution a living reality for the common man — in such measure as they can. PILs must go on for the present, the controversy and criticism notwithstanding.n

The writer is a senior advocate, the Supreme Court of India.

 

 

girishankar (manager)     19 February 2010

https://epaper.hindustantimes.com//artMailDisp.aspx?article=07_02_2010_008_020&ty\
p=1&pub=47

 
 
 
Hindustan Times  (Page 7)
New Delhi
Sunday, February 07, 2010
 
 
Pending verdict: RTI activist challenges SC
 
 
A RTI activist has challenged the Supreme Court Central Public Information
Officer's (CPIO) order refusing to part with information on the number of cases
on which verdicts haven't been delivered. Commodore (Retd) Lokesh K. Batra, who
wanted to know the figures for such cases between 2007 and 2009 (up to December
15), had moved the first appellate authority headed by Supreme Court Registrar
M.K. Gupta against two orders passed by CPIO and Additional Registrar Raj Pal
Arora on January 12 and January 22.

RAJ KISHORE VAISH (TEACHER CITIZEN OF INDIA)     20 February 2010

Dear admjnstrator,

                      Can you provide a complete list of members along with mail address ? If yes send to me immideatly .Help me.

                      Thank you .

                                          yours

                                      Raj Kishore Vaish

                                    vmrajkishore@live.in                          

RAJ KISHORE VAISH (TEACHER CITIZEN OF INDIA)     20 February 2010

Dear Giri ji .

                    I have already said ,that the supreme court is being blackmailed by some  resposibles. I have said that NOBODY CAN BE PUNISHED IN INDIA THOSE HAVE THE WHOLE CONTENTS OF CONTEMPT PITITION NO 203 OF 1996 .AND I KNOW Mr. arun has the same .RIGHTLY SAID BY Mr. RAVINDER SINGH

                                                                                   RAJ KISHORE VAISH

                                              

                    

Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429)     20 February 2010

who are mr arun & mr ravinder singh. are they connected with petition no 203 of 1996?

Anil Agrawal (Retired)     20 February 2010

I find myself unequal to the task of comprehending the subject matter.

Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429)     20 February 2010

right sir, various views are here.

girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010

https://epaper. hindustantimes. com//artMailDisp .aspx?article= 07_02_2010_ 008_020&typ= 1&pub=47
 
 
 
Hindustan Times  (Page 7)
New Delhi
Sunday, February 07, 2010
 
 
Pending verdict: RTI activist challenges SC
 
 
A RTI activist has challenged the Supreme Court Central Public Information Officer's (CPIO) order refusing to part with information on the number of cases on which verdicts haven't been delivered. Commodore (Retd) Lokesh K. Batra, who wanted to know the figures for such cases between 2007 and 2009 (up to December 15), had moved the first appellate authority headed by Supreme Court Registrar M.K. Gupta against two orders passed by CPIO and Additional Registrar Raj Pal Arora on January 12 and January 22.

girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010

[IHRO] In India, the privileged ones are unconcerned abt majority, subsisting @Rs 20 daily

 

CJI defends decision to seek DA for wife

16 January 2010

New Delhi, 16 JAN: Chief Justice of India Mr KG Balakrishnan (in photo) today defended his decision to seek dearness allowance for wife when the couple recently went on a foreign tour saying it was being provided for the last several years.
“Continously to my knowledge since several years, the dearness allowance was paid because somebody who goes abroad should eat something. That is why....otherwise, in a foreign country one cannot survive without eating. Sometime, it is (DA) permissible under our rules,” he told CNN-IBN.
He was asked about the recent controversy relating to the Supreme Court Secretary General's writing a letter to the government seeking DA benefits for his wife.
The Supreme Court registry had yesterday  come out with a statement defending the Chief Justice, a day after the government, in response to an RTI application, said there was provision only for air-ticket to the spouse of CJI and other judges of the Supreme Court and no other allowance has been sanctioned by the Department of Justice.
The Chief Justice denied inference that he was personally opposed to the disclosure of assets by judges and cautioned that the information being sought under the RTI could at times seriously affect the image of the judiciary. “At no point of time I was against disclosure of assets. Sometimes, some people will say that gives some unfavourable report against Chief Justice. Sometimes good report about him.
Referring to the row relating to Justice Mr PD Dinakaran of Karnataka High Court, the CJI was of the view that the “vilification” campaign was started against him only after his name was recommended for elevation to the Supreme Court. Pti

 

girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010

Uma V Chandru RTI Act under attack: "Slowly, but steadily, the right of citizens to know is being
pared back into the right of bureaucrats to deny information."

 

www.outlookindia. com | Mum’s The Word

www.outlookindia. com

hen the UPA passed the landmark Right to Information Act in 2005, it was meant to empower citizens. The law promised transparency, accountability, and the end of corruption in governance. But in under five years, the government is planning to push through amendments that will dilute the law. ...

 

Please conside making an e-petition that we can sign.

 

Victor.

girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010


--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Milap Choraria <milap_choraria@ yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Milap Choraria <milap_choraria@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [rti-times] Justice Ajit Prakash Shah, (outgoing Chief Justice of the Delhi) should be appointed as Chief Information Commissioner of CIC, if he accept the assignment considering its importance in the larger public interest
To: manmohan@sansad. nic.in, pmosb@pmo.nic. in, sushmaswaraj@ hotmail.com, vnathan@nic. in
Cc: rti-times@lists. riseup.net
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 2:15 AM

 

Dr. Man Mohan Singh,

Hon'ble Prime Minister of India, manmohan@sansad. nic.in, pmosb@pmo.nic. in   

 

Smt. Sushma Swaraj,

Leader of Opposition in Loksabha, sushmaswaraj@ hotmail.com  

 

Dr. M. Veerappa Moily,

Hon'ble Law Minister of India,

Through Shri T K Viswanathan
Adviser to Hon'ble Minister of Law and Justice:
vnathan@nic. in 

 

Hon'ble Sirs and Madam,

 

In today's (12/02/2010) Times of India, it is appears in a justifiable manner that the denial of the elavation of Justice Ajit Prakash Shah to the Supreme Court is unfair to judiciary itself from the Supreme Court Colegium, as some of news items are placed after my Email signature. However, I hope that Government was not party to such mistake. Therefore, this is my humble submission that Justice Ajit Prakash Shah, should be appointed as Chief Information Commissioner of Central Information Commission, if he accept the assignment considering its importance in the larger public interest.  

 

With Best Regards,

Milap Choraria  

 

TRUTH SHALL ALWAYS PREVAIL
Milap Choraria  Editor: Suchna Ka Adhikar / RTI TIMES
National Convenor : Movement for Accountability to Public (MAP)
https://milapchorari a.tripod. com/msp

 

SHARP REACTION
Jurists condemn SC decision to drop Shah


Abhinav Garg | TNN

New Delhi: The SC collegiums decision to ignore A P Shah, chief justice of the Delhi High Court, has drawn a lot of criticism , including from top jurists like Fali S Nariman and former chief justice J S Verma who described him as one of the finest judges in the country . The high esteem Justice Shah is held in was evident on Thursday when a full court gave him a standing ovation and bid farewell. In another rare development , the influential Delhi High Court Bar Association took exception to the bypassing of Justice Shah, saying the Supreme Court collegium should have taken into account the opinion of the bar.

If the bar is the judge of judges, a litigant is the consumer . If these two entities have an opinion of a judge it should be taken into account by the collegium . The system has to change, HCBA president and additional solicitor general of India A S Chandhioke said.
Pointing out how the legal community felt the man richly deserved to be elevated, Chandhioke added, In my 30 years of career I have never seen a farewell where 50% of judges eyes are moist. 

Hurt justice Shah says let people judge

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

New Delhi: On his last working day, Delhi High Court Chief Justice Ajit Prakash Shah, who was bypassed for elevation to the Supreme Court, admitted he was hurt and said it was for the people to judge why he was denied the opportunity to serve the nation from SC.
I cannot pretend that I am not hurt. A sense of hurt is always there. These things happen in life, Justice Shah, who retires on Friday after a nearly 21-month tenure as CJ, said during an interaction with the Press.
I think it is for the people to judge why I was denied an opportunity. .. It really hurts as a human being, Shah said, maintaining my enthusiasm remains undimmed.
Justice Shah took over as Chief Justice of Delhi High Court on May 11, 2008. With a heavy voice and almost on the verge of tears, the outgoing Chief Justice, who is retiring on Feb 13, bid adieu to his fellow judges and other members of the court after 17 years in the judiciary.
Its an emotional moment for me. The tenure of 17 years was very enriching and enlightening, said Shah, who gave a historic judgement on decriminalisation of consensual s*x among adults. Recalling the verdict, he said: On the day I delivered the judgement, I did not watch television fearing the reaction people would have over this.
Much to everyones surprise, the Delhi High Court Bar Association came out strongly against the decision of the SC collegium to overlook Shah for elevation. While the President of HCBA, A S Chandhiok, wondered how SC could ignore the sentiments of so many legal luminaries and the bar, secretary D K Sharma was more critical in his views.
He richly deserved to go to the SC as a judge. If there was anything adverse that the collegium had found against him, we all have a right to know what it is. The collegium should have spelt out why he was being denied a promotion, Sharma told TOI. He added that while the collegium might have not found Shah fit for elevation, our respect, love and affection for him cant be robbed by the collegium.
Sharmas views found a wide echo in the legal fraternity. Delhi governments standing counsel, Nazmi Waziri, paid tribute to Justice Shah as the latter prepared to stand up and leave the courtroom . Waziri thanked him on behalf of the Delhi government and recited an Urdu couplet.

 

Some other News Items relating to Judiciary 

ASIAN AGE

Sir, Every patriot who wants unity irrespective of caste and religion has to appreciate the landmark judgment of the Andhra Pradesh high court that quashed the state government’s decision to introduce four per cent reservation for Muslims in educational institutes and government jobs. We have had quotas for several years and we now know that they have failed to serve their purpose. Quotas have become a tool for politicians to get votes and enjoy power. There should be no discrimination in the name of caste or religion. The upliftment of the poor sections of every community should be done by giving them free education, medical aid and suitable jobs.

B.S. Ganesh

Via email

FINANCIAL EXPRESS: The constitutional bench headed by Justice AR Dave ruled that reservation cannot be provided on the basis of religion. The ruling underlines the principle of secular citizenship and the need, wherever applicable, to uplift the poor and the backward irrespective of religion, caste or ethnic identity. Religion should be taken into account only in the context of worship and rarely, if ever, in the public domain.

BS Ganesh, Bangalore

 

Action against judge : Forwarded by Mr. Abhijit Sengupta
SIR, ~ The suspension of Goa’s senior judge Mrs Anuja Prabhudesai, is an ominous trend. The justice delivery system has failed a very senior, knowledgeable and distinguished judge. Mrs Prabhudesai is known to be talented, well mannered, soft-spoken yet very firm in the dispensation of justice. Even when posted as the state’s law secretary she refused to bow to the illegal and unjustified designs of the politicians. 
As she was the most senior District Judge of Goa, her suspension could be a systematic ploy to sideline and abort her hopes of elevation to the pedestal of a judge of Bombay High Court. If this is proven, the political conspirators who have framed fake charges against her should not be spared. 
If the injustice meted out to Mrs Prabhudesai is not rectified, the credibility of the judiciary, which is the third and vital pillar of our Constitution, will be at stake.
 Yours, etc., Aires Rodrigues, Ribandar (Goa), 9 February

girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010



HT Epaper : Story Link  (URL)  :
 
 
https://epaper. hindustantimes. com//artMailDisp .aspx?article= 03_02_2010_ 009_011&typ= 1&pub=264
 
 
Hindustan Times
New Delhi
February 03, 2010
 
 
Apex court still cagey on sharing information
 
STONEWALLED Refuses to give details of case pending judgement
 
Satya Prakash
satya.prakash@ hindustantimes. com
 
 
NEW DELHI : The country’s top court is unwilling to part with information about its functioning even after a Delhi High Court verdict on the Right to Information (RTI) called for greater transparency in the judiciary.
 
The Supreme Court has refused to give information on the number of cases in which verdict hasn’t been delivered after it reserved the judgment.
 
The Delhi High Court, on the other, was prompt in sharing similar information.
 
Commodore (retd) Lokesh K. Batra wanted to know the figures for such cases for 2007, 2008 and 2009 (up to December 15).
 
In his reply, Supreme Court Additional Registrar Raj Pal Arora said on January 12 that “data is not maintained in the registry in the matter sought for by you.”
 
“The matters filed in the Supreme Court are pending/sub judice matters before the hon’ble court till they are decided.”
 
The information officer even advised Batra to study the SC’s rules and procedure regarding sub judice matters.
 
Chief Justice of India K.G. Balakrishnan had in December warned that delays would lead people to “revolt” and the legal system to crumble.
 
In 2001, the Supreme Court  issued guidelines for the high courts and lower courts, asking them to pronounce verdicts within reasonable time. If a judgment is not delivered within three months from the date of reserving it, any of the parties can move the same high court for an early judgment, it said.
 
Batra filed another RTI plea for information about cases where arguments had been heard prior to 22 December, 2009 and judgments reserved.
 
Arora again refused information.
 
Saying he’ll challenge the “silence”, Batra told Hindustan Times, “The information sought by me is administrative. It has nothing to do with judicial proceedings.”
 
Supreme Court secretary general M.P. Bhadran said he didn’t know what the information officer had said “but we do not maintain such data”.
 
The Delhi High Court told Batra that in six cases judgments were reserved prior to December 31, 2007. There were four such cases in 2008 and 367 cases the next year, the court’s information officer said in a January 27 reply.

 
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girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010


 

https://in.news. yahoo.com/ 43/20100201/ 818/tnl-judicial -glasnost- delhi-high- court-l.html
 
 
IANS
 
 
Judicial glasnost: Delhi High Court loves it, apex court is chary

 
Mon, Feb 1 10:00 PM
 
New Delhi, Feb 1 (IANS) The Delhi High Court appears to love judicial glasnost, while the Supreme Court seems to be chary of it - going by their diametrically opposite responses to an RTI plea.
 
A plea for information on total number of cases, pending for judgment after conclusion of arguments in the last three years, has left the apex court scurrying for cover under its obscure rules, while the high court readily provided all the requisite information in one go.
 
The information had been sought from the two courts in December 2009 by a former naval officer, Commodore Lokesh K. Batra, under the Right to Information Act.
 
Batra, also a social and RTI activist, wanted the Supreme Court and the Delhi High Court to tell him of the 'total number of cases pending, if any, for judgment, where arguments have been heard in the year 2007, 2008 and 2009.'
 
The apex court did not have an answer for this simple query. 'I write to inform you that the data is not maintained by the registry in the manner sought for by you,' wrote back the apex court's information official Raj Pal Arora to Commodore Batra.
 
'The matters filed in the Supreme Court of India are pending before the court,' Arora told Batra, advising him to refer to the relevant apex court rules and procedure for information on the queries posed by him.
 
But in contrast, the Delhi High Court had nohesitation in readily handing out the information. It told Commodore Batra that it has still 6 cases of 2007, 1 of 2008 and 107 of 2009, pending for delivery of judgment of its single judge benches, while it has 3 cases of 2008 and 260 of 2009 pending for judgment by its division benches.
 
Batra told reporters that ironically he had sought the information from the two courts after reading news reports as per which Chief Justice of India K.G. Balakrishnan had warned the judiciary of revolt by people against delay in justice delivery.
 
 
Indo Asian News Service

 

girishankar (manager)     20 February 2010

There are many instances of judicial misconduct.  But judicial misconduct is a far more serious an issue than, say, mere corruption wherein, say, a public servant may set you back by a few hundred rupees.

 

Various laws rightly provide protection to judges against prosecution for their judicial duties and / or actions taken by them in good faith.

 

The issue, however, is whether a judge, negligently or for other reasons, acts contrary to the laws of the land or proccedure, could be said to act judicially or in good faith?

 

Not very long ago, the SC held that MPs acting outside or beyond lawful exercise of their lawful duties could not be said to be acting as MPs, and so could be prosecuted.  As recently as last week, the SC has held that permission from states is not required for CBI enquiry.  In other words, it is the essence of law that matters, not super technicalaties.

 

So, can a judge be prosecuted for mischief, breach of trust, malafides, etc.?  If so, are there any precedents to this issue?


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