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Democratic Indian (n/a)     23 February 2017

Originally posted by : Sh. P Suresh
  IS THE DIATRIBE ON NATION OR STATE?

Not surprised to find lovers of lies and injustice labeling facts and truth as "diatribe". Also first understand the meaning of difference between Nation and Nation State.

 

From Black's Law Dictionary 9th Edition -

 

Nation -  A large group of people having a common origin, language, and tradition and usually constituting a political entity. When a nation is coincident with a state, the term nation-state is often used. Also termed nationality.

 

"The nearest we can get to a definition is to say that a nation is a group of people bound together by common history, common sentiment and traditions, and, usually (though not always. as, for example, Belgium or Switzerland) by common heritage. A state, on the other hand, is a society of men united under one government. These two forms of society are not necessarily coincident. A single nation may be divided into several states, and conversely a single state may comprise several nations or parts of nations." John Salmond, Jurisprudence 136 (Glanville  L Williams ed.,  10th  ed.  1947).

 

In simple language, going by the above definition, the political entity Nation State called "Union of India" is made of several Nations. For example Bengalis or Punjabis or Tamils or Marathas or Assamese or Nagas and many more are separate Nations because they are a large group of people having their own separate common origin, language, tradition and history. Unfortunately these Nations do not have Nation States of their own because they were colonized by the British and the entire colonized administrative and political setup was handed over on a platter to the so called upper caste elite(Brahmanical ideology following elite) in 1947. You may read the following thread - https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Drafting-of-constitution-65320.asp and listen to this video by a Maratha political leader here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rokhRb4Vqc

 

No one especially, the social groups made politically ineffective people like the OBCs/SCs/STs or the religious minorities can really expect justice so long the Supreme Court in the present period of history, itself supports injustice one way or the other, how? To know this, read the following threads and the links contained within them -

 

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Supreme-court-justifying-police-beating-of-witnesses-65930.asp

 

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Sc-justifying-police-beating-of-witness-67915.asp

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     23 February 2017

Originally posted by : Democratic Indian

Not surprised ....... 
 

 

 

The point has been missed.  Me too,   NOT SURPRISED.

Democratic Indian (n/a)     24 February 2017

Originally posted by : Sh. P Suresh
The point has been missed.

The point has been made crystal clear in the post quoting Dr. Garga Chatterjee how non Hindi speaking States have to suffer in every possible way under the bogey and burden of "national interest". The point has also been made crystal clear in video by the Maratha leader posted in previous post,  how the ideology of Brahminvad forces itself on more than 74 + 22 percent people in the polity of this Indian subcontinent. In other words there are only two polities in the Indian sub continent, pro Brahminvad polity(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women) and anti Brahminvad polity(pro political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women).

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     24 February 2017

# 45

24.2.17

 

100% wrong.

Democratic Indian (n/a)     25 February 2017

Originally posted by : Sh. P Suresh
100% wrong.
The truth is always 100% wrong for pro Brahminvad(hegemonic) political ideology(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women).

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     25 February 2017

# 47

25.2.17

Originally posted by : Democratic Indian
The truth is always 100% wrong for pro Brahminvad(hegemonic) political ideology(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women)..

 

Tyrant attack at everything: Regions, parties, caste, ruling .... Women are being spared?!*

Democratic Indian (n/a)     26 February 2017

Originally posted by : Sh. P Suresh
Tyrant attack at everything: Regions, parties, caste, ruling .... Women are being spared?!*

This is exactly pro Brahminvad(hegemonic) political ideology(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women) has been and is doing for thousands of years.

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     27 February 2017

# 49

27.2.17

 

Originally posted by : Democratic Indian
This is exactly pro Brahminvad(hegemonic) political ideology(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women) has been and is doing for thousands of years.

 

This is exactly tyrantic. The unsaid, unknown about Constitution causing these , parasitic, demo-critic.

Democratic Indian (n/a)     27 February 2017

Originally posted by : Sh. P Suresh
This is exactly tyrantic. The unsaid, unknown about Constitution causing these , parasitic, demo-critic.
This is exactly pro Brahminvad(hegemonic and parasitic) political ideology(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women) has been and is doing for thousands of years. This hegemonic and parasitic ideology does not even respect the Constitution.

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     27 February 2017

# 51

27.2.17

 

Originally posted by : Democratic Indian
..... women .....  Constitution.

 

NOT SURPRISED. Tyrantism needs a diviZion. So, ........... 

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     27 February 2017

Got repeated.

Democratic Indian (n/a)     27 February 2017

Originally posted by : Sh. P Suresh
Tyrantism needs a diviZion. So, ........... 
This is exactly pro Brahminvad(hegemonic and parasitic) political ideology(against political freedom and liberty of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women) has been creating divisions and is doing tryanic, parasitic ideology for thousands of years. That is why hegemonic, tryranic and parasitic ideology does not even respect the Constitution even today.

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     27 February 2017

# 54

27.2.17

 

Let alone 1000s of years. this generation is not even 100 years & this generation will NOT BEAR YOUR WEIGHT.

Democratic Indian (n/a)     28 February 2017

This generation of OBCs, SCs, STs, religious minorities and women fully understands the game of brahminwad ideology(anti OBCs, anti SCs, anti STs, anti religious minorities and anti women) of opression that is continuing for thousands of years. This generation understands that struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting and those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Every reader of this thread refer the "divine" laws of Brahmanwad of Manu quoted below. They are nothing but apartheid, Nazism, injustice, mysoginy, oppression, racism, terrorism given the dress of "divine" laws. Education/ knowledge, property/ wealth, arms/ RKBA are three pillars of freedom or liberty. They are like three legs of three legged table. Destroy or subvert any one of them, the table falls. Similarly when you are controlling/ denying access to knowledge, wealth and arms by "divine" laws, you do not need to propound any fanatic philosophy to inflict direct oppression or tyranny. You have cleverly created oppression of the highest order in society, which very few will be able to understand. Now this brahmanwad fascist and terrorist ideology is creating oppression under the name of "nationalism" and "patriotism". The goal remains the same that was thousands of years ago to destroy and humiliate individual civil and poltical freedoms and liberties.

 

This Brahminvadi philosophy of subverting the three pillars of liberty mentioned earlier, has clandestinely and unlawfully is trying to been injected into the Constitution of India.

1. When the Constitution was adopted, it was publicly propagated(contrary to Constitutional facts) that RKBA has not been guaranteed. One pillar of liberty subverted, can move on to the next.

2. After few years, the right to property officially removed from list of fundamental rights of Constitution.

3. Education was/ is already heavily controlled by the State. This became a matter of concern to some concerned citizens, thus it was recently enumerated as fundamental right in the Constitution. It is more cosmetic effect than real.

 

"Chapter I

91. One occupation only the lord prescribed to the Sudra, to serve meekly even these (other) three castes.


Chapter II

31. Let (the first part of) a Brahmana's name (denote something) auspicious, a Kshatriya's be connected with power, and a Vaisya's with wealth, but a Sudra's (express something) contemptible.

155. The seniority of Brahmanas is from (sacred) knowledge, that of Kshatriyas from valour, that of Vaisyas from wealth in grain (and other goods), but that of Sudras alone from age.


Chapter IV

81. For he who explains the sacred law (to a Sudra) or dictates to him a penance, will sink together with that (man) into the hell (called) Asamvrita.


Chapter V

140. Sudras who live according to the law, shall each month shave (their heads); their mode of purification (shall be) the same as that of Vaisyas, and their food the fragments of an Aryan's meal.


Chapter VIII

267. A Kshatriya, having defamed a Brahmana, shall be fined one hundred (panas); a Vaisya one hundred and fifty or two hundred; a Sudra shall suffer corporal punishment.

270. A once-born man (a Sudra), who insults a twice-born man with gross invective, shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin.

271. If he mentions the names and castes (gati) of the (twice-born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red-hot into his mouth.

272. If he arrogantly teaches Brahmanas their duty, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and into his ears.

277. A Vaisya and a Sudra must be punished exactly in the same manner according to their respective castes, but the tongue (of the Sudra) shall not be cut out; that is the decision.

278. Thus the rules for punishments (applicable to cases) of defamation have been truly declared; I will next propound the decision (of cases) of assault.

279. With whatever limb a man of a low caste does hurt to (a man of the three) highest (castes), even that limb shall be cut off; that is the teaching of Manu.

280. He who raises his hand or a stick, shall have his hand cut off; he who in anger kicks with his foot, shall have his foot cut off.

281. A low-caste man who tries to place himself on the same seat with a man of a high caste, shall be branded on his hip and be banished, or (the king) shall cause his buttock to be gashed.

282. If out of arrogance he spits (on a superior), the king shall cause both his lips to be cut off; if he urines (on him), the p*n*s; if he breaks wind (against him), the anus.

283. If he lays hold of the hair (of a superior), let the (king) unhesitatingly cut off his hands, likewise (if he takes him) by the feet, the beard, the neck, or the scrotum.

374. A Sudra who has intercourse with a woman of a twice-born caste (varna), guarded or unguarded, (shall be punished in the following manner): if she was unguarded, he loses the part (offending) and all his property; if she was guarded, everything (even his life).

375. (For intercourse with a guarded Brahmana a Vaisya shall forfeit all his property after imprisonment for a year; a Kshatriya shall be fined one thousand (panas) and be shaved with the urine (of an ass).

376. If a Vaisya or a Kshatriya has connexion with an unguarded Brahmana, let him fine the Vaisya five hundred (panas) and the Kshatriya one thousand.

377. But even these two, if they offend with a Brahmani (not only) guarded (but the wife of an eminent man), shall be punished like a Sudra or be burnt in a fire of dry grass.

378. A Brahmana who carnally knows a guarded Brahmani against her will, shall be fined one thousand (panas); but he shall be made to pay five hundred, if he had connexion with a willing one.

379. Tonsure (of the head) is ordained for a Brahmana (instead of) capital punishment; but (men of) other castes shall suffer capital punishment.

413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.

414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it?

415. There are slaves of seven kinds, (viz.) he who is made a captive under a standard, he who serves for his daily food, he who is born in the house, he who is bought and he who is given, he who is inherited from ancestors, and he who is enslaved by way of punishment.

416. A wife, a son, and a slave, these three are declared to have no property; the wealth which they earn is (acquired) for him to whom they belong.

417. A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for, as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions.


Chapter IX

2. Day and night woman must be kept in dependence by the males (of) their (families), and, if they attach themselves to sensual enjoyments, they must be kept under one's control.

3. Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence.

92. A maiden who choses for herself, shall not take with her any ornaments, given by her father or her mother, or her brothers; if she carries them away, it will be theft.

155. The son of a Brahmana, a Kshatriya, and a Vaisya by a Sudra (wife) receives no share of the inheritance; whatever his father may give to him, that shall be his property.

225. Gamblers, dancers and singers, cruel men, men belonging to an heretical sect, those following forbidden occupations, and sellers of spirituous liquor, let him instantly banish from his town.

229. But a Kshatriya, a Vaisya, and a Sudra who are unable to pay a fine, shall discharge the debt by labour; a Brahmana shall pay it by installments.

230. On women, infants, men of disordered mind, the poor and the sick, the king shall inflict punishment with a whip, a cane, or a rope and the like.

237. For violating a Guru's bed, (the mark of) a female part shall be (impressed on the forehead with a hot iron); for drinking (the spirituous liquor called) Sura, the sign of a tavern; for stealing (the gold of a Brahmana), a dog's foot; for murdering a Brahmana, a headless corpse.

238. Excluded from all fellowship at meals, excluded from all sacrifices, excluded from instruction and from matrimonial alliances, abject and excluded from all religious duties, let them wander over (this) earth.

239. Such (persons) who have been branded with (indelible) marks must be cast off by their paternal and maternal relations, and receive neither compassion nor a salutation; that is the teaching of Manu.

248. But the king shall inflict on a base-born (Sudra), who intentionally gives pain to Brahmanas, various (kinds of) corporal punishment which cause terror.

253. By protecting those who live as (becomes) Aryans and by removing the thorns, kings, solely intent on guarding their subjects, reach heaven.

260. These and the like who show themselves openly, as well as others who walk in disguise (such as) non-Aryans who wear the marks of Aryans, he should know to be thorns (in the side of his people).

261. Having detected them by means of trustworthy persons, who, disguising themselves, (pretend) to follow the same occupations and by means of spies, wearing various disguises, he must cause them to be instigated (to commit offences), and bring them into his power.

262. Then having caused the crimes, which they committed by their several actions, to be proclaimed in accordance with the facts, the king shall duly punish them according to their strength and their crimes.

269. Those among them who do not come, and those who suspect the old (thieves employed by the king), the king shall attack by force and slay together with their friends, blood relations, and connexions.

276. But the king shall cut off the hands of those robbers who, breaking into houses, commit thefts at night, and cause them to be impaled on a pointed stake.

277. On the first conviction, let him cause two fingers of a cut-purse to be amputated; on the second, one hand and one foot; on the third, he shall suffer death.

278. Those who give (to thieves) fire, food, arms, or shelter, and receivers of stolen goods, the ruler shall punish like thieves.

279. Him who breaks (the dam of) a tank he shall slay (by drowning him) in water or by (some other) (mode of) capital punishment; or the offender may repair the (damage), but shall be made to pay the highest amercement.

280. Those who break into a (royal) storehouse, an armoury, or a temple, and those who steal elephants, horses, or chariots, he shall slay without hesitation.

288. Let him place all prisons near a high-road, where the suffering and disfigured offenders can be seen.

291. He who sells (for seed-corn that which is) not seed-corn, he who takes up seed (already sown), and he who destroys a boundary (-mark), shall be punished by mutilation.

292. But the king shall cause a goldsmith who behaves dishonestly, the most nocuous of all the thorns, to be cut to pieces with razors.


Chapter X

51. But the dwellings of Kandalas and Svapakas shall be outside the village, they must be made Apapatras, and their wealth (shall be) dogs and donkeys.

52. Their dress (shall be) the garments of the dead, (they shall eat) their food from broken dishes, black iron (shall be) their ornaments, and they must always wander from place to place.

53. A man who fulfils a religious duty, shall not seek intercourse with them; their transactions (shall be) among themselves, and their marriages with their equals.

54. Their food shall be given to them by others (than an Aryan giver) in a broken dish; at night they shall not walk about in villages and in towns.

55. By day they may go about for the purpose of their work, distinguished by marks at the king's command, and they shall carry out the corpses (of persons) who have no relatives; that is a settled rule.

56. By the king's order they shall always execute the criminals, in accordance with the law, and they shall take for themselves the clothes, the beds, and the ornaments of (such) criminals.

96. A man of low caste who through covetousness lives by the occupations of a higher one, the king shall deprive of his property and banish.

127. (Sudras) who are desirous to gain merit, and know (their) duty, commit no sin, but gain praise, if they imitate the practice of virtuous men without reciting sacred texts.

129. No collection of wealth must be made by a Sudra, even though he be able (to do it); for a Sudra who has acquired wealth, gives pain to Brahmanas.

104. He who has violated his Guru's bed, shall, after confessing his crime, extend himself on a heated iron bed, or embrace the red-hot image (of a woman); by dying he becomes pure;

105. Or, having himself cut off his organ and his testicles and having taken them in his joined hands, he may walk straight towards the region of Nirriti (the south-west), until he falls down (dead);


Chapter XI

132. Having killed a cat, an ichneumon, a blue jay, a frog, a dog, an iguana, an owl, or a crow, he shall perform the penance for the murder of a Sudra;"

 

Source https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm

 

Disarming of OBs, SCs, STs by the Brhmaninvad ideeology has been going on thousands of years. Aim of disarming is to humiliate people, to send message that they are slaves and not trustworthy. Following is how Jats(OBCs) and SCs/ STs were treated and equated with dogs.

 

"He degraded the Jats and the Luhanahs and bound over their chiefs. He took a hostage from them, and confined him in the fort of Brahmanabad. He imposed the following terms on these people. (the Jats and the Lúhánahs), namely, that they should not carry swords, except on occasions of urgent necessity; that their undergarment should be of some woollen cloth; that they should not wear velvet or silken cloth; that they might use scarfs of cotton thread, of black or red colour; that they must ride horses without saddles; that they must walk about bareheaded and bare-footed; that, when going out of their houses, they must take dogs with them; that they must supply firewood to the ruler of Brahmanabad; that they must serve him in the capacity of guides and spies; that, if they distinguished themselves for these qualities, they would be considered trustworthy and honest"
 
Source Chachnama. Chachnama is a book about the history of Sindh, chronicling from the Chach Dynasty's period till the Arab conquest by Muhammad bin Qasim. The Chach Nama was written by Kazi Ismail. He was appointed the first Kazi of Alor by Muhammad Kásim after the conquest of the Sindh. Those interested in history of the period can download the book from this link https://panhwar.com/Books_By_Sani/The-Chachnamah-Ancient-History-of-Sindh.pdf

Sh. P Suresh (For To By Green Kindness Perpetuity Selfsustainability Always)     28 February 2017

# 56

28.2.17

 

Originally posted by : Democratic Indian
... women) .... thousands of years. ....

 

This generation is not even 100 years. Term: "Non-Brahminivad" is being patented.


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