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Increase in retirement age of HC judges - 62 to 65

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Democratic Indian (n/a)     05 October 2010

@Dabangg Lady

"if ur PIL suceeds govt has to go by it or there will be a constitutional crisis. first let ur pIL suceed."

"i donno why noone brought a PIL on issue of 1 lacs crores lying in swiss banks."

First of let me tell you, your opinion is correct on paper but does not practically work in reality. It also shows you are not aware of about the level of corruption that has reached in governance. Who is constituting the government? Are they saints and pious people? Government is very clever, it will never create any constitutional or any crisis for that matter, on the other hand will cause a natural death of the problem before justice is delivered. Who will investigate? CBI? Who is CBI? It is not without any reason many say CBI to be "Coverup Bureau of Invetigation". See the track record of CBI you will understand. Bofors, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. what happended, what is happening?

This country was directly looted by invaders for thousands of years, now the modus operandi has changed but the loot is continuing. Try to understand who is ruling this country.

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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     05 October 2010

In India there are two classes/sections are considered as SON OF SOIL and they are POLITICIANS/RULERS and GOVT Servants. The condition of the rest we all know the best.

 

 

Below is the article which has tried to show the real conditions of the poor of this country, to whom justice is an alien word, would never have ever seen or heard of even the court. For them in my view executive (Babu and Neta) is my lord/god. What does pendency of litigation at courts means to them.

 

 

 

Media hype and the reality of “new” India

Hasan Suroor

 

Poverty in at least eight States — Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand — was worse than in some of the poorest countries of sub-Saharan Africa.

In a week when Delhi's new “world-class” airport opened for business and the Indian Space Research Organisation celebrated the successful launch of five new satellites, we had a stark reminder of another India that, increasingly, many Indians feel embarrassed to talk about. A United Nations-backed study by Oxford University revealed that poverty in at least eight Indian States — Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand — was worse than in some of the poorest countries of sub-Saharan Africa.

The findings are based on a global poverty index, the Multidimensional Poverty Index or MPI, developed by Oxford University. It takes into account a range of social factors not hitherto considered while measuring poverty and will replace the Human Poverty Index (HPI) which, until now, has formed the basis for the annual U.N. Human Development Reports.

How's the new index significantly different from the traditional ways of measuring poverty and how will it make a difference on the ground? Here, Dr. Sabina Alkire, Director of the Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative (OPHI), who has travelled extensively in India, speaks to Hasan Suroor:

Were you surprised by the finding that there are more poor people in eight Indian States than in the 26 poorest African states combined?

No, I wasn't really surprised, as the scale of Indian poverty is well known within the academic world —whether measured in income terms or multi-dimensionally. But the recent focus on India's phenomenal growth in the media has given the impression that the largest numbers of very poor people are in Sub-Saharan Africa rather than South Asia (where there are nearly twice as many MPI poor than in Africa). We wanted to test that impression.

To get this comparison, what we did was to set a more extreme poverty cut-off, which identified the Indian States and the African countries whose Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) was equal or greater than 0.32 (the MPIs we calculated for 104 countries range from 0 to .64). Eight Indian States and 26 African countries fall below that cutoff. That's where this figure comes from.

To give an idea of what this means, the least poor entry is West Bengal (MPI = 0.32), in which 58 per cent of people are MPI poor, and they are on average deprived in 54 per cent of the dimensions or weighted indicators; in Niger 93 per cent of people are MPI poor.

Actually, the intensity of poverty in Africa is still higher — the population-weighted MPI for the 26 African countries is 0.43, whereas for the Indian States it is 0.39.

How is the new Multidimensional Poverty Index or MPI significantly different from the Human Poverty Index (HPI) that the U.N. uses for its Human Development Report? Doesn't that also take social indicators as the basis for measuring poverty?

The indices share the same motivation, but are totally different. The MPI starts with each person, and looks at their lives and that of their household members, and identifies a person as poor only if they have multiple deprivations. The MPI reflects the intensity of deprivation each person experiences as well as the percentage of people who are poor.

The HPI aggregates percentages of people who are deprived in different things. So it cannot see if all of the HPI indicators affect the same person simultaneously, or if each person only has one deprivation.

This is understandable, because in 1997 when the HPI was developed we did not have the data that is required to construct the MPI. Only recently has it become possible to focus first on each person's life, and build a multidimensional poverty measure from that.

Critics might say that studies such as yours simply end up producing sensational headlines without anything actually changing on the ground? Is there any evidence, for instance, that the Human Poverty Index has helped fight poverty better than the previous measures of poverty?

Our aim is to strengthen the work of many others who are working passionately to stand alongside and empower those who live with suffering and poverty to shape their own destinies. We welcome specific suggestions from others about how better to do this, but it seems that sharing a measure which can show the simultaneous deprivations people face should be a useful tool to others.

Doesn't, ultimately, the good old definition of poverty based on household income and purchasing still remain valid?

Yes. Our measure complements the income and consumption data, and focuses only on very acute indications of poverty. These data come from different surveys, in most cases. It is a matter of enriching the information field. If both measures coincide perfectly, of course, there would be no need for both poverty measures. However from preliminary analysis it seems that they differ quite a bit, even at the level of individual. We need to understand how and why. If a household has a disabled person it may not be income poor but clearly experiences multiple deprivations for example. Or a family may have enough money to be nourished, but actually the children are malnourished. Also, the MPI checks access to certain services directly, whereas income data includes these in a different way. Finally, data in both cases are imperfect, so comparing two different measures can give us a clearer picture.

In the course of your study, did you come across any other surprising trends about India?

We did note that the MPI for different caste groups varies a great deal. The Scheduled Tribes have the highest MPI (0.482), almost the same as Mozambique, and a headcount (the percentage of people who are MPI poor) of 81 per cent. The Scheduled Castes have a headcount of 66 per cent (the percentage of people who are MPI poor) and their MPI is a bit better than Nigeria. Fifty-eight per cent of other Backward Castes are MPI poor. About one in three of the remaining Indian households are multi-dimensionally poor, and their MPI is just below that of Honduras. While this is not a surprise, it is yet another clear indication of the need for interventions that address these social aspects of poverty in India, alongside the direct deprivations.

Source/Link:

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/article523817.ece

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     05 October 2010

In India there are two classes/sections are considered as SON OF SOIL and they are POLITICIANS/RULERS and GOVT Servants.  - imagination.

 

no link with the subject matter of the thread.

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"In India there are two classes/sections are considered as SON OF SOIL and they are POLITICIANS/RULERS and GOVT Servants. The condition of the rest we all know the best.

 

 

Below is the article which has tried to show the real conditions of the poor of this country, to whom justice is an alien word, would never have ever seen or heard of even the court. For them in my view executive (Babu and Neta) is my lord/god. What does pendency of litigation at courts means to them."

 

Thanks sir for submission of this here to expose that 

"In India there are two classes/sections are considered as SON OF SOIL and they are POLITICIANS/RULERS and GOVT Servants."

 

so the accountability is very much required to throw out the useless people as they cost too much on survival of BPL people n unjustified burden on the economy of the nation.   

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so instead of increasing the retirement age the accountability of performance of duties by public servants should be done and useless public servants should be thrown out of public service and public money should be recovered from them and they should be punished under criminal charges for ignorance of duties of the nation and/or misleading the duties and misuse of public money.  A judge may be the Lord for an accused but they are servants for people of India.

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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     05 October 2010

One thing, when govt. has supported them (govt. servants) till 62 yrs of their age and has provided all the comforts/facility at the cost of poor citizens of this country, then govt. too has right to ask them to give/contribute free of cost honorary service (without any salary) at least for 3 years (or 10% of their service tenure) in the larger interest of the Nation rather they should make it mandatory.

As far as clearance of pendency of the suit is concerned, it needs high grade well trained dedicated, devoted Nationalist Team of Judges.

Also the process and paraphernalia attached must be simplified. Working style of other wings like executive and all the investigation agencies needs a complete overhaul.


(Guest)
Originally posted by :Dabangg Lady
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mr drf here i differ and everybody will differ

if ur PIL suceeds govt has to go by it or there will be a constitutional crisis. first let ur pIL suceed.

if u are running an organiusation of this calibre and magnitude with such goals its ur duty to file a PIL and u may get free legal advise from many lawyers and even ex judges on this issue.

u r knoledgable, please read more of laws and constitution it gives u enormous powers. using these powers too a honest and fearless person/organistion can bring changes in society. i donno why noone brought a PIL on issue of 1 lacs crores lying in swiss banks.
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Ms. Dabang Lady, you said well n we all wish to have a trustworthy system but practical is quite different as underlined by Mr. Democratic Indian.

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prasad (advocate)     07 October 2010

Generally, judges are hard working. Their motivation is a sense of public service. Many of them would have earned more in practice. Average life span is increasing. There is a shortage of qualified people at the top. So, there is a good case for increasing their retirement age.

This is not to say that  judges do not contribute to  the heavy pendency . They contribute by their lack of listening skills. of subject knowledge and their inability to to take quick decisions, besides other less salubrious factors.There is very little a lawyer can do to improve such judges. Improvement has to come from the Brother Judges only.

With all the above defects, two cheers to the judiciary and i vote for increasing their retirement age.

 

 

Democratic Indian (n/a)     07 October 2010

As per some estimates 70% of the pending cases are against government. We also need to think how to make government start behaving in a legal and just manner, so that people are not forced by government to approach courts for justice. If these 70% cases are removed, the pendency will also get lowered to a great extent.
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(Guest)
Originally posted by :Dabangg Lady
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SIR WITH increase in expected lifespan and better quality of living it is good to increase the age. they are really very experienced ppl and their experience shud not go waste.with thousands of cases pending this may be a good step. junior judges have less experience, by the time they have good experience they get retied so i fully support this and in case expected lifespan rises further this can go upto 70 in next 20 yrs.
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AGREED even for unlimited working age not only for Judges but for all public servants with condition that;

 

1. Every month's salary will be passed on submission of the monthly report card as to what the work was assigned to him and how the work has been carried out by them and the report card will be published regularly on internet and records will be kept available for observation by the people and

 

2. For every mis-courage or ignorance of duties punishment & recovery will be assured and the action taken will be published regularly on internet and records will be kept available for observation by the people.  

 

In fact, in our democratic rule the above two conditions should be assured which UNFORTUNATELY not yet drafted since all the drafts of Law & Rules are being drafted by Bureaucrats themselves and public representatives in parliament and other legislative assemblies are kept busy with securing their seats and in arrangement of votes.  It is the smartness of Bureaucrats.

 

Without accountability and responsibility powers are ever misused and public servants become Dictators in Democracy.  


SO WHAT IS THE USE OF THROWING THE BRITISHERS AND WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY?  


NOTHING BUT WE ARE STILL GULAM's THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT NOW DICTATORS ARE INDIANS.

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(Guest)

We can remove our representatives IN EVERY FIVE YEARS OR IN MID-TERM ALSO who do not work or do any mischief with people


BUT WE CANNOT EVEN TOUCH TO OUR SERVANTS WHO DO CORRUPTION OR DO NOT WORK ENTIRE LIFE.

 

IS IT; RULE OF PEOPLE - RULE BY PEOPLE - RULE FOR PEOPLE


OR


IT IS; RULE OF PUBLIC SERVANTS - RULE BY PUBLIC SERVANTS - RULE FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS 

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All the125 crore citizens have equal rights on national earning

 

but, first on priority, the huge salary amount always paid to 3% public servants on fix dates to public servants keeping aside that whether they have carried out the work or not.  Dearness Allowance (which increases in every six months), City Allowance, House Rent (even if they have their own houses), Transfer Allowance, Overtime Allowance (even if not present on claimed time), free medical treatment, reimbursement of huge fake medical bills, tuition allowance for children, night duty allowance, non-practicing allowance, etc. etc. etc.

 

52 Sundays, 26 saturdays, 18-20 other general holidays, 2 casual leave, 30 days full pay leave, 20 days half pay leaves, everyday coming late and leaving office early,  hardly available on work place,  most of time either in canteen or in toilet or in other some personal time pass.  Average 250 rupees per hour charging from people.

 

None is bothered for 47 crore citizens are struggling for bread & shelter.

 

But people are mute spectators.

 

WHY PAYER PEOPLE OF INDIA CANNOT TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST MISCHIEVOUS PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN CORRUPTION OR IN IGNORANCE OF WORK???


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Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     08 October 2010

Exactly, I agree with all the posts above By Mr. Ram Samudre.

In China there is a provision of punishment salary also, if any public concern goes in loss then workers too used to be held responsible.

 

It is very remarkable thing that why the post of govt. servants are over secure, not only full salary till their tenure, but till death of both spouse pension also and if they during the tenure, his next dependent gets job.

 

So, very logical and important issues/aspects has been raised by Mr. Ram Samudre and worth ponder- able.

 

Unless we speak out nothing is going to be changed, things will go as usual, and we will remain always complaining.

 

Here we need a complete revolt, and we should always keep revolting attitude/tendencies, as revolutions are necessary, this will not only benefit us rather to our next generations also or remain under the state of servitude.


(Guest)

wat is solution according to u mr samudre, how to pay bueraucracy

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     09 October 2010

Small correction in my above (last) reply, here

"It is very remarkable thing that why the post of govt. servants are over secure, not only full salary till their tenure, but till death of both spouse pension also and if they during the tenure, his next dependent gets job."

 

should be read as

 

"It is very remarkable thing that why the post of govt. servants are over secure, not only full salary till their tenure, but till death of both spouse provision for pension is also there and if they die during the tenure, their next dependent gets job or gets replaced. So, too much job security, is having demotivational effect."

 

The payment and promotion must be on the basis of their performance,


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