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Sunil Kumar (Manager Business Development)     06 December 2012

Company not giving full and final

Hi,

I was working with a company as a business development manager, they terminated me on certain grounds and I have accepted the same. I have completed 100 days in that company and as per offer letter I would be on probation period for 3 months i.e. 90 days. They have terminated me on 15th day odf the month so as far as my full and final is concerned they had to pay me 15 days of my salary and as there is no notification from their end regarding extension on my probation period so post completion of 90 day I assume my probation period is over and I am an permanent employee of the organisation. So for that they need to pay a months notice period as well. So in total 45 days salary. Now when I asked them for my full and final settlement then they mentioning that I have resigned and need to serve notice period which i didn't and so I need to pay company a sum equivalent to one month salary.

As far as my termination is concerned I don't have a written notification from their end but have a mail from the CEO of the organisation marked to my immidiate boss where he mentioned that they have terminated me.

Now I want to know what are my legal rights in this case and how can I take my money from them. Also what all expenses I need to do and can I ask that company to pay for the expenses as well.

Also I heard from someone that there is an interest on that amount which company needs to pay for the delay in payment.

Thanks in advance.

Sunil.



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Adv k . mahesh (advocate)     06 December 2012

at the time of appointment the offer letter contains any words as after 

probation period ends after 3 months and company has the discreation to extend the probation period further period 

normally probation period ends in your case afer 3 months and they will issue you a letter of confirmation as permanent letter thus the company has issued any letter without that they may say that they have no satisfaction in his work and they can terminate your services also 

and you said that to your immediate boss got a mail from your CEO that your services are terminating but your boss had informed you the same or else your directly resigned from the job ....

by oral saying termination means you can fight for your 15 days salary and if you resigned from job then you have give as per your offer letter 

Sunil Kumar (Manager Business Development)     06 December 2012

Yes there is a clause about my probation period which says "You will be on probation for a period of three months from the date of appointment, which may be extended on the discretion of management. During the period of probation or the extended period of probation, your services are liable to termination at anytime without any notice and without assigning any reason.

You will be on supervision for a period of 30 days of appointment. Your manager observes you for 30 days if he found you are not appropriate for the job we can terminate you without any payment."

The above are the exact words from my offer letter. As they never shared any mail or nor communicate me about extension of my probation period so what would be the treated in a default case weather my probation period over or extended?

In the above case what amount shall I eligible for legally.

Regards,

Sunil

Kumar Doab (FIN)     06 December 2012

Mr. Mahesh has given valuable advice.Kindly follow it.

Termination has its own long term implications and burden on employee. If you can manage the employer to call back order of termination and accept your resignation this may be a better option.

It is felt that by the statement “they mentioning that I have resigned and need to serve notice period which i didn't and so I need to pay company a sum equivalent to one month salary.” Probably company is dropping hints to you. You may read between the lines and confirm in person and if acceptable to you may trade with company however obtain acceptance dated ….{after termination on letterhead of the company with seal and signature of appointing authority with good comments and ensure no termination order gets inserted in your personnel file an if there is any it is removed } of resignation on the spot.

 

 You have posted that:

--“ As far as my termination is concerned I don't have a written notification from their end but have a mail from the CEO of the organisation marked to my immidiate boss where he mentioned that they have terminated me.”

If you this email you have a document on record that you were terminated.

 

--“ Now when I asked them for my full and final settlement then they mentioning that I have resigned and need to serve notice period which i didn't and so I need to pay company a sum equivalent to one month salary.”

If you have not resigned there is no document on record to show you have resigned. It is felt that this response of company is verbal.

Moreover even if employee has resigned company may terminate instead of issuing acceptance of resignation. Who can stop the company from doing so? Termination shall have to be contested, if employee decided to do so.

--“ they terminated me on certain grounds and I have accepted the same.”

Have you accepted in writing and do you have copy of acceptance submitted in writing and the acknowledgment of your acceptance submitted by you to company?

If yes that would be another document on record.

 

As you have been terminated company needs to honor its own contractual obligation and tender notice pay and salary for period you have worked.

--“your services are liable to termination at anytime without any notice and without assigning any reason.”

Has the company assigned any reason for termination in termination email?

If no company has not leveled any allegation of misconduct etc.

It is felt that company has not supplied any hard copy of the termination order so far to you. Company might have inserted some copy/communication in your personnel file.

It shall be pertinent to request the company to allow you to examine your personnel file being maintained by company in its HO. In all probabilities company shall maintain a studied silence on it and shall not reply in writing.

--“Your manager observes you for 30 days if he found you are not appropriate for the job we can terminate you without any payment."

It is felt that this is a bad and may stand test of law. No one should be put to work without paying for it.

--“"You will be on probation for a period of three months from the date of appointment, which may be extended on the discretion of management.”

Has the company conducted any appraisal before end of probation period, in writing with a copy to you?

Company might have inserted in your personnel file.

Employer should provide correct proof of all changes in service conditions, employment in writing.

--Normally FNF dues should be provided by next pay day.

As per provisions of IESO Act the service certificate and FNF wages should be provided on last day in office or within two days.

You may check if IESO is applicable to your establishment and if it has framed its certified standing orders and extended it your designation. If certified standing orders are not framed model standing borders shall be applicable

{ attached}.

If your establishment is under SE Act you may go thru the act applicable to your state.

You  should submit a fitting reply addressed to the good offices of your appointing authority, MD, Company Secretary with a copy to Head-HR for payment of salary {by bank DD only in a case like yours}, and correct FNF statement on letterhead of the company under original seal and signature by hand of the competent employee along with his/her full name/designation/dept/address below his/her signature , FNF amount by bank DD only, Form 16 as per correct FNF statement , work experience certificate/service certificate, NOC/NDC, relieving letter, PF number, attested copies of PF withdrawal/transfer form {submit the forms} for submission to PF office by employee etc by redg post so as to reach within next 7 days.

Kindly note that HR may not provide any relief to you until you have a handle on company, as HR has to serve its masters, who might have issued verbal or written instructions. So you may escalate to good offices under acknowledgment and try and meet them and convince them.

If good offices also do not provide any relief you may proceed as deemed fit at your end.

You may consult elders in the family, competent and experienced well wishers, lawyer law firm and fine tune your representations as suitable to you.

In a given situation employee can approach trade union, and/or invoke the provisions of ID Act, IESO Act, Payment of Wages Act, SE Act as per explanation of employee under the provisions of these enactments or approach civil court. Designation alone does not decide that employee is a workman or not.

It shall be appropriate to approach a competent and experienced service lawyer/labor consultant with copies of all of your documents and give inputs in person and proceed under expert advice of your lawyer. Your lawyer shall evaluate the merits and may opine that you fall within the category of workman.

Company may yield to legal notice of your lawyer or you may have to agitate in the appropriate forum. Company may yield to your demands during conciliation proceedings in o/o ALC or the ALC shall issue reference to Labor Court.

 

 

 


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Sunil Kumar (Manager Business Development)     06 December 2012

Dear Mr. Kumar,

Thanks a lot for the valuable inputs. As they have terminated me and I don't have any concern with my termination or resignation and don't want to be any sort of good books with my ex employer. I have started my own business which is doing good. I was not even considering to ask for my full and final settelement, but the issue arises when they put an allegation on me for hacking their website to create some fake mail id and they threatned me for police complaints (in written over mail). When I replied them with a strong mail and told them not to harras me or threaten me with any sort of police or legal actions then post my reply I never recieved any mail related to the same issue. But after some days I recieved a mail from HR to give the amount in favor of my ex organisation a sum of rupees equivalent to my one month salary. So from there I want to file a recovery suit against them. Also want to know can I ask for the expenses incur during the case or not?

Regards,

Sunil

Kumar Doab (FIN)     07 December 2012

You have posted that:

--“ I was not even considering to ask for my full and final settelement, but the issue arises when they put an allegation on me for hacking their website to create some fake mail id and they threatned me for police complaints (in written over mail). When I replied them with a strong mail and told them not to harras me or threaten me with any sort of police or legal actions then post my reply I never recieved any mail related to the same issue.”

It is better to communicate by letter under acknowledgment thru redg. post with AD { and obtain POD  from PO both internet generated free of cost and certified copy of run sheet of postman by paying a fee of Rs.10/} as only competent and senior managers of the company are empowered to sign on letterhead. Emails are sent by one and all including even junior managers/HR executives. Later if trapped it is easy for good offices to escape by affixing the onus on junior management, although the scriptt might have been written by seniors and juniors are usually executioners who have to executive mostly on verbal orders of seniors.

The tread you have mentioned is posted by some other employees also in some other threads and it is another kind of terrorism companies have invented and initiated to subdue the employees.

You may escalate to god offices {by name and designation and make .them a party} and seek relief from them. This time let your elders in the family, competent and experienced well wishers; lawyer, law firm fine tune and structure your representations as suitable to you. The charge leveled against you is serious and your outbursts may not deter the company to harass you further. If you have not hacked etc and you are truthful you can sue them for criminal intimidation, harassment, defamation etc and your lawyer should advice you finally on this.

--“ But after some days I recieved a mail from HR to give the amount in favor of my ex organisation a sum of rupees equivalent to my one month salary.”

If you have the copy of the email communicating termination of service, then you should affirm in writing that your manager handed over the copy of the email in office and asked you to not to attend office with immediate effect.

This shall put speculations to rest. You have not absconded and you have not resigned.

You may request good offices to allow you to examine your personnel file being maintained in HO. This shall put other imaginary thought to rest that what documents might have been inserted in your personnel file e.g. forged resignation. IN case of unscrupulous employers this is possible.

However if you have been terminated the resignation story ends.

Moreover this email from HR shall affirm that the notice period applicable to you was one month and not 15 days implying you were not probationer.

However it shall be appropriate to approach a competent and experienced service lawyer/labor consultant with copies of all of your documents and give inputs in person and proceed under expert advice of your lawyer. Your lawyer shall evaluate the merits and may opine that you can lodge a police complaint as well {for malafide intentions and motive, counterblast to your genuine claims, under section 403 {Dishonest misappropriation of property} ,406{criminal breach of trust}, 420 {Cheating}, 368 and may suggest some other sections as well} and your lawyer shall advice you on the appropriate forum to lodge complaint and agitate e.g. O/o Wages Inspector, ALC, Inspector under SE act, ID Act, o/o PF commissioner for declining to attest PF forms, jurisdictional CIT-TDS where your company deposits TDS and local O/o IT Commissioner where you file your return for blocking Form 16 etc.

Online discussion has its own limitations. Kindly follow the advice of your lawyer, elders, and well wishers. Do not get moved by temptation, rage and do not act in haste.

If you have decided to fight for dignity prepare well, and prepare in advance.

These offices fall under preview of RTI Act and you can chase and move them to conclude action.

Another employee has initiated an interesting thread at following link, and has initiated recovery of wages:

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/details.asp?mod_id=70662&offset=1#.UMCCfPIyzvo

 

Discussion > Labour & Service Law > Disputes > Dispute regarding resignation and notice pay

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Short-fall-notice-70506.asp#.UMGFbvIyzvo

 

Discussion > Labour & Service Law > Employment > Short fall notice

 

 

 

 

 


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