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Do matrimonial laws REALLY FAVOR WOMEN?

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@ Aishwarya

I will give you my say to your reply post in full but before that few clarification I like to have to understand your thoughts better;

First I like to know what you mean by your para 3 sentence and I quote;

“justice for a woman is v.hard in our country....only a few lucky ones get it..........and then the entire woman folk is labeled as a family breaker”

Que. 1: I am more interested to know what you mean by few lucky ones here?

Que. 2: I am also interested to know from what stats or from what collective experience you say some women are lucky and rest or unlucky?


Just place a concise answer related to above sentence and let us not mix up with other thoughts and I will promptly reply to this para first then colelctively other paras if I don't ask any more questiosn to you.

Rgds.
PS.: I still say your post subject is good but at the end of board no one side will emerge satisfied with these arm chair pow-wow bze both sides are sufferers in their own respective ways when a marriage breaks down some come out quickly and for some it takes time.

 

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Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     24 July 2010

MS KAUR VERY PERFECTLY SAYS THAT DEMANDING JUST OR FIGHT FOR THE JUST IS A SEPERATE MATTER RATHER THAN A FALSE COMPLAIN BY WIFE, AGAINST HER HUSBAND.

 

FALSE COMPLAIN AND LATTER CONSEQUENCES, LIKE ARREST ETC DESTROYING THE FAMILY RELATIONSHIP.

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Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     24 July 2010

WOMEN GETTING ZENDER BASED (BIASED(?)) ADVANTAGE SINCE THE ADOPTION OF ART 15 (3) OF THE COI AS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

THIS SPECIAL PROVISION WAS TOLOURABLE AS THIS BENEFIT AWARDED TO ALL WOMEN IN GENERAL.

BUT 498A MAKES IT UNTOURABLE AS THE BENEFIT GIVEN TO A SECTION OF WOMEN (IE WIFE) NOT ALL OR WHOLE OF THE WOMEN. THE WORST THINGH IS THIS THAT THE LAW CAN BE USED, BY A SECTION OF WOMEN AGAINST OTHER SECTION OF WOMEN IN THE NAME OF MARRIAGE.

COI ART 15. PROHIBITION OF DISCRIMINATION ON GROUNDS OF RELIGION, RACE, CASTE, SEX OR PLACE OF BIRTH.—

(1) THE STATE SHALL NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANY CITIZEN ON GROUNDS ONLY OF RELIGION, RACE, CASTE, SEX, PLACE OF BIRTH OR ANY OF THEM.

(3) NOTHING IN THIS ARTICLE SHALL PREVENT THE STATE FROM MAKING ANY SPECIAL PROVISION FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

HERE IT IS REMARKABLE THAT THE SPECIAL PROVISION FOR WOMEN IS FOR ALL WOMEN NOT A SECTION OF WOMEN (IE WIFE) ON THE BASIS OF MARRIAGE. MARRIAGE HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL SANCTION AS A DEVICE OF DISCRIMINATION.

COI ART 13 (2) - THE STATE SHALL NOT MAKE ANY LAW WHICH TAKES AWAY OR ABRIDGES THE RIGHTS CONFERRED BY THIS PART AND ANY LAW MADE IN CONTRAVENTION OF THIS CLAUSE SHALL, TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONTRAVENTION, BE VOID.

THAT’S WHY IT IS BIASED LAW, INCONSISTENT AND IN DEROGATION WITH FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS.

THEREFORE SEC 498A OF IPC IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

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@ arup

 

i dint say that 498A benefits all women.i meant DV act is also for sisters,mothers,etc......got it??


(Guest)

@ avnish & others,(esp. men against females in this thread)

 

nowhere did i say that all women shud goto court.i only meant women who have been wronged.i donno why i m facing personal attacks here..........

 

and u went upto say that all women misuse laws.atleast ur way of putting up things says so...........coz u supposedly had bad experiences..shows ur high maturity levels..

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Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     25 July 2010

I ALSO NEVER SAID THAT YOU (MS. AISHWARYA) TOLD IT. WHY YOU TAKE IT ON YOU?

DV ACT RECTIFIED THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL STAND OF 498A

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     25 July 2010

I THINK DV ACT CAN BE USED BY A MIL/SIL AGAINST HER DIL/SIL.

BUT I AM NOT SURE. ARUN JI HAVE MASTRY ON IT.


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@ d.arun kumar

 

i was expecting to see ur lengthy reply as usual and ur tendency to ridicule the thread starter(coz i have gone  thru almost all ur threads)......in all the threads where u reply to people's posts,if u disagree with sum1,u behave as if u know everything about the world while others are fools and must eventually agree with u............and therefore u r online 24/7,obsessed with these matrimonial laws,which all indian women are misusing...

 

u asked me questions pointwise as if u r interviewing or cross examining me...........and that i shd come up and answer like a pupil answers to his school principal

 

first n foremost,i m not answerable to u.u asking me silly questions like"wot do u mean by few lucky women get justice".i donno wot explanation u need here.and then u asked me the stats of it..........

 

its not that if i reply to u like a student pointwise u will start supporting me morally or will start agreeing with me.....but i donno wot makes u ask all this........

 

just before u replied,i also pointed out few things to wich u dint reply.then y this question n answer session wid me?

 

if u want proofs of everything to validate that wot i say is right then everyone in this thread who starts a general discussion shud come with more than 10 solid proofs as attachments n videos of wot he's saying after getting a certificate of authenticity from some established agency so that it may be uplloaded in Lawyersclubindia,to be shown to mr. arun for his approval.............

 

if that be so,first u show me the proof that ur wife is in the wrong and that u  hv been a wonderful husband............prove to everyone here that u r in thr right and an innocent victim.bring as many proofs as u can.....prove that u r a genuine person.....prove u r really named d.arun kumar..................prove everything abt ur wife wrong here.just upload ur entire petition or case file here for others to see.then i will answer u....................coz ur questions are rather silly.and mind u they are deviating from the points of my very last post addressed to u and also from the point i raised in all my posts

 

u have hinted subtly that i just dragged my hubby for money..............fine.........now plz go thru "my contribution" in my profile page .i participated in a thread whose subject is "please advice"

 

it  was started by a man named mohit where he stated his sister's problem.....here i briefly stated how i was forced into a settlement after being harassed by my hubby and MIL.and u gave me a very gentle advice.as if u understud my problem v.well....................ironiaclly in my present thread,ie,do matrimonial laws really favor women,u r very argumentative with me....y this double face??

if u have reread this thread, wot do u hv to say now................ur usual attitude of giving lengthy ridiculing replies wich im sure nobody wud be interested in reading(atleast not me) or some basic maturity that lets spare women and just focus on improving the legal process for both the male n female............

 

PS-till now i thot u r really a harassed husband.........now after going thru many of ur threads including my own i wonder how boring n irritating people can be that they just wana argue endlessly and forcing their opinions on others that are based on their so called personal experiences....if u can be so arrogant and proud on this thread and argue with people so much even if they mean no harm to u,i wonder how much u illtreated ur wife that she left u ...............

 

sir u know wot.in india people take wife's harassment seriously only wen she is beaten up...else mental torture thru words,remarks etc is usually ignored.

dont think that if u dint hit ur wife(i donno if its true) u were a gud hubby.........mental emotional n psychological torture can be thru words,attitude,by showing the other person that he's wrong and i m always right(this is peculiar abt u),by showing too much domination,intruding too much into ur partner's privacy and so on.............any1 can get pissed off...........i hope u get wot i mean..................now please dont bore with ur usual silly and lengthyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy replies....

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Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     25 July 2010

ARUN JI MANY OF YOUR FANS INCLUDING ME ENJOY YOUR REPLIES. PLEASE KEEP CONTINUING.


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@arup & arun

 

ya arun ji please continue ur wife bashing in a separate thread where all female haters gather and spit venom on their wives n inlaws...not in a thot provoking thread like mine wich needs wise and compassionate   participants............thanks

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     25 July 2010

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where all female haters gather and spit venom on their wives n inlaws...not in a thot provoking thread like mine wich needs wise and compassionate   participants

UN QUOTE

 

WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELF IS INCORRECT.


(Guest)

this is a democratic forum and everyone can reply to ur query.you have no right to ask anyone not to reply here. this is not a thot provoking thread, it is like adding salt to wounds of those who have suffered discrimination of these laws. so please dont be personal.thats why it was necessary to reply here. arun ji's comments please

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Kiran (Consultant)     25 July 2010

@Aishwarya,

It is very clear from your post why u r in present state of affairs. Please dont think that ur r angel and u came from heaven. U dont have any right to go too much personal on this public forum and if u don't understand others posts just keep ur mouth shut and try to understand what others are saying.

I know the personal opinions of people do not change by just reading the posts, but this forum is mainly for those who need legal help. Many people have already answered to ur question that 'YES' matrimonial laws are really favoring women to take revenge  on in-laws and husband and there-by helping them to extract huge amounts of money from them.

It is clear that we are talking about 'FALSE ALLEGATIONS'. which is now 95% of the cases and still u r talking non-sense by comparing a woman who falsely alleged her husband and inlaws in a false 498-A case with Lord Rama and Lord Krishna.

Because of huge percentage of false cases, the true 5% cases are also viewed with Suspicion. Anyways women are able to take revenge and gain monetarily with laws favoring women but ultimately they are also loosing thier mental peace and harmony.

Somebody in this forum is saying why men are marrying again, even after facing this trauma in firts marriage. This question applies to women too. No body can live alone whole through out thier life. Human being always live with hope that things would change and he will not expect the same thing to be re-peated again.

Arun Kumar Ji,

There are many fans for you here and we always wait for your replies. Please dont stop your posts

Cheers

Kiran

 

 

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@ Author of this post

1. Your title of post is only good rest matters / justification is getting personal here even by you being this post author which is not healthy sign of a self authored post in WWW.

2. You have no clue being author of a post how to moderate the replies a post generates.

3. You intentionally created a title post then created confusion among your own fellow sisters (females) and ending the post with too personal remarks involving every repliers who did not reply as to the theme of the post which as a author of a post shows your understanding / maturity level on any Laws forget matrimonial Laws and or making of a Law.

4. Now, since you have no stats / certified copies of complains of women handy / case laws / points of laws handy to rebut me you are resorting to personal remarks on my bedroom which I take as your immaturity level being a author of this post and shows what you wanted to propagate by your this title post and create further confusion among your own sisters (females) forget the opposite spouse here or there.

5. Regarding fans or no fan following my interest here is only explaining point of law in all its wordings which is required or not required is not my issue in a post and in turn get further educated for my own understanding any point of Law relating to matrimony. Readers have discretion to use control, alt and delete to any of my posts and I don’t need a certificate from you so to speak on behalf of others bze you should speak to me about yourself and not about other selves if you want my replies, others are capable to speak for themselves why speak for humanity in a generic post.


6. Now, if you own this forum / this website then delete my membership otherwise use Control / Alt. / Delete to my posts. 

7. Now last suggestion to you @ Aishwarya, moderate this thread as a neutral author and do not make personal remarks in the same post which you have authored to others. You can make personal remarks to repliers to other post not authored by you but not the same post is what a moderator does / functions as. Learn this trick otherwise your post title I still say is perhaps the most controversial and perhaps too good to be true too J

Chew above or continue as you may please to eternity. I am out of this post now because you as a author have no clue on matrimonial Laws for or against and have no clue on how to moderate a self authored thread.

Rgds.  
PS.: For other contributors here in this post - I am not interested in fan following in life so this forum having or not having any fans for me is immaterial and readers who wrote here that they are my fans please I don't like those sweet candy  All of you are welcome to rebut me with pure point of law / case laws / reasoning as per Law that is my only point and simultaneously educate me on same point of Laws I will be happy.


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@ Aishwarya

I am adding on to your personal comment to me that I m having 'double face" and referring to your Please Advice thread :-)

In thread - https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Re-Pls-advice-21099.asp


Read Your post of 05 July 2010, 23:26 there


My reply of 06 July 2010, 15:17 is correct by commenting to both of you (Mohit) as "unfortunate incidence" and further gave guidence to both of you generically saying which ibid as" You can always revert back under "change of circusmstances clause" give or take after few years till then study the very Law which didnot give you desired trust in the institution"


BTW what you were expecting me to write neutrally to two same theme posts as above in Please Advise thread post subject with two families having similar situation other than above quote ! OR were you expecting me to say that both familes husband are crooks and use choiciesed language ina civilised open internet forum to make you happy, excuse me  u made a wrong remark to a gender neutral person here who wanted to help but his abv. reply is taken as something alien !


and how abv. reply is double faced here to this title post you justify yourself  :-)))))


You should have then thanked me in Please advise thread and further asked me how to claim under changed circumstances from your ex Husband who is now in overseas leaving you dry here in India ! I would have gladly gave my point of view but you missed that there and bring your personal fears and frustrations into this thread with tile post already hinted there and I knew then that one day you will create this thread.


Now enjoy a train missed is personal comment from me to you and see what difference legal logic plays in self generated threads in open WWW which is the mute point as an illustration trying to make you understand why this thread is too good but ending up like a personal gender score with no logical end.


If you still want my neutral help under "change circumstances" seek it I will openly give you very detailed help here in sperate thread for your own help which could be peer reviewed here openly with further educative replies by other Ld. members is what my purpose here is all about and which you interpret as lengthy preachings and mix my bedroom with your thread which is not required in a open self created thread. 


Now here is an ode to all women and to all men including me; to make this thread lighter onto why a wife and husband are from Venus and Mars respectively :-)))))

Illustration:

Applicant: How is the food today?
Respondent : Good. Thanks.


Applicant:
(after tasting the food) but there is no salt! Perhaps I forgot. Why didn't you point it out?
Respondent: If I point out such things it may be considered as "humiliation" under DV Act Section 5 (Chapter 5) sub clause 3(a).


Applicant:
Why are you talking like that! I'm your wife! Don't you love me? And stop telling me about your funny Sections and Act ... I don't know nothing about it.
Respondent: Yes, I do love you.


Applicant:
I love you too. Now tell me how much do you love me?
Respondent: Well, I wish I had an answer but I could not find the quality & quantity of love in DV Act that is required to be given by husband to his wife.


Applicant:
I don't know what are you talking about!! Anyway, look outside, it's raining... let's get romantic and make love!
Respondent: I would love to make love but nothing in DV Act defines the strategies, do's & don'ts of making love, including the ones required to be complied with pre, during and post lovemaking. If I attempt to even show my affection towards you it might be misconstrued as "s*xual" and "physical abuse".


Applicant:
Darling !!! Don't be such a bore... and I haven't heard you calling me "honey" from long !?
Respondnet: I'm not a bore and you know that. However, being a true Indian it's my duty to abide by the laws meant to protect women. I cannot call you "honey" coz it might come under "name calling" of DV Act. You might accuse me claiming that by calling "honey" I meant that you were the home of poisonous "honey" bees!


Applicant:
Was it a joke?
Respondnet: No no, it was not a joke. DV Act doesn't allow me to joke with you as joking might be taken as "ridicule".


Applicant:
I think you have gone mad !! Anyway, I know how to get you back on track. You know I got a call from my ex boy friend today when you were in office !!
Respondnet: Ok.


Applicant:
Ok? What ok? You used to feel jealous to know about any male calling me! I love your possessiveness towards me!
Respondnet: I'm afraid but the DV Act doesn't allow me to stop you from talking to and/or meeting anybody you want to at any time... be it your ex boy friend or your new lover, be it at our home or outside. If I try to stop you it might be taken as "prohibition or restriction to continued access to resources or facilities which you are entitled to use or enjoy by virtue of "domestic relationship". I don't even have any rights to stop you from spending days & weeks with him, even if you plan that trip by selling all the items from our house and taking away my whole month's salary!


Applicant:
This is going nowhere! I think you don't love me anymore !! I don't know what to do !! It's better if we don't talk at all for few days.
Respondnet: I do love you but the law has not provided me with relevant guidelines and suitable acts on the quality & quantity of love I am legally bound to give you. I don't mind keeping quiet as per your instructions but one of the judgements by Hon'ble Supreme Court says that "spouse's silence may amount to cruelty". I am helpless in the hands of law.


Applicant:
To hell with your law !! For God's sake... can't you be your normal self with me !??
Respondnet: I am normal, but if I do not suppress my normalcy under the requirements of DV Act you might send me to jail !! I'm just trying to be a good citizen of India and serve you & the womankind. You can have me either as your normal husband or as a dog controlled by women biased laws. Tell me which one do you want?


Applicant:
I want my original and normal husband.
Respondnet: Then wait till at least the DV Act and 498A are scrapped. Until then every happily married husband will abide by the requirements of DV Act to ensure they do not bypass the law; and every victimised husband will continue fighting against such gender biased, senseless and family-breaking laws.



Rgds.
P.S. This illustration is not my copyright and I apologise to that original Author to copy / paste his blog here without his permission, he may sue me if he so prefers.
 


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