Rajan Salvi (Lawyer) 08 February 2010
Rajan Salvi (Lawyer) 08 February 2010
Rekhaji, I hope ur query is answered? Regards.
Rekha..... ( Practicing lawyer(B.Com LL.M in Business law )) 08 February 2010
Respected Rajan Salvi Sir... I m absolutely clear now. Thnks for posting this judgement..
Shree. ( Advocate.) 08 February 2010
Dear Respected members,
"Sex before marriage" It was great to know what you feel.
Really very much astonished to see people hating to utter or write the word "s*x":I would like to share what i feel about that. I do feel that s*x before or after marriage is only your personal choice. Its you who is going to decide, not the society. Sex and love making is two totally different things.
Sex is something like hunger, maintaining natures call etc. Its a hormone in your/my body.I have a habit of speaking out clearly what I believe in.
So I would tell you freely what I feel. Sex is beautiful when it is love making. You are giving your body to the person you love and this way you surrender to your love with all your mind body and soul. And when it is only s*x, it is just an animal instinct and nothing else.
Marriage as an institution has many loopholes. I dont trust that every married couple are making love just becouase they are married and all the unmarried people who lost their varginity to the person they love were only having s*x.(by now I hope you understand what I mean by making love and having s*x).What you call those physical relationship which have no love at all and they have s*x just because they have social acceptance. This seems so ridiculous to me. I call them legalised prositution.
Sex when only for the sake of s*x with no love and the sense of commitment is always dirty, cheap. I loath the concept of s*x. No matter if it is before marriage and after marriage.
Love making, with love and complete surrender, which I think is Devine. I would die for that...before marriage or after marriage.There is a vast difference between Having s*x and making love. I hope I could explain my point.
Anil Agrawal (Retired) 08 February 2010
Great inference.
Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429) 08 February 2010
adv. rajan & adv shree thanks for your last posting. is this that judgement for which adv assumi started the thread?
R.K.SUNDERRAJ (LAWYER HUBLI,KARNATAKA) 08 February 2010
Shreehas very well interpreted, But we all should carefully analyse the situation under which the judgement was delevered, This judgement is not ment for the persons as mentioned by Shree (True Lovers.) True lovers dont desert the women after having s*x.
This judgement is exclusively ment and sends the warning signal to the persons who indulge in illegal Acts---FALSE PROMISES---------HAVING SEX==== DESERTING+++++ AND MAKING THE WOMEN TO STRUGGLE.......... NO FURTHER INTERPRETETION I THINK IS REQUIRED.
Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429) 09 February 2010
further analysis is must.
what mr shree says are cameout from his inner heart. i fully suppot his views in this regard. i found that many of us can not diffirentiate between 's*x', 'love' & 'marriage'.
where 's*x' is an animal instinct ; 'love' is social instinct & 'marriage' is the finest form of love. but we the social people make it 'an institution' and this so called institulization, makes the marriage 'a teror', 'a horribol'. stage by stage 'love & marriage' changed it's shape. in ancient society marriage was a - 'a peternity determination system' and nothing else, where by it was determined that who is the father of a child. the burdain to feed the child rested upon him. to ensure this, 'no access' theory was adopted, where women was accessed by a particular men. that's why men could marry many women, but women normally not allowed to accept more than one male . thus marriage was introduced in the society. after sometime, this takes a diffrent shape and female was compled to the slave of a man - called HUSBAND. in modern age in the name of equility, under the cover of marriage, MAN BEING COMPELED TO THE SLAVE OF A WOMAN. a very popular thread going on, on this club that - why man should not marry. now days has come when people will do 's*x', 'love' but 'no marriage'. now marriage is treating as a slavery and become a social teror. ultimately the system of marriage, the 'so called' institution, will go to hell.
Adv. T.K Sujith (lawyer) 09 February 2010
Friends,
We must think why the police inserted a section like 376 in this case...
The police have understood that the existing provisions in our Code are not sufficient to deal with this type of cheating. it may attract existing Sec. 417 or 354 and there is every likelihood of getting bail and an acquittal is almost sure in this case.
But to prevent this type of incidence and as a deterrence the police inserted Sec. 476 and court upheld the above situation also. There is no question of precedent in this matter. The person who charged may count some days behind the bar if he captured... that is all
Anil Agrawal (Retired) 09 February 2010
Having s*x on promise to marry and then not keeping it is the essence of the judgement.
What about other promises?
Not the police but the legislature amends the Act.
Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429) 09 February 2010
mr thakur,
ipc is central act. perliament is responsible for it. sec 417 is more appropriate. 415 to 420, ipc cover this area.
it is easy to send one behind the bar, but it is very difficult to realize the the feelings of the person behind the bar, his / her family disturbance; their social prestige at stake; please be think of it. if the person is actually guilty, then it to be considered but if he is not actually guilty, the person is in a trap, then what will be?
Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429) 09 February 2010
please read Adv. T.K Sujith instead of mr thakuur.
mr sujit you are a young man having bright carrier, suppose one girl whom you know well and having good relation, one day came with a complain to court that you promise her to marry, which you yourself know well that - it is false; and the hearing upon her sent you send behind the bar; what will be your feelings and action?
the complains made at police station or court are not always genuine, better to say, a lot of complains are false. many a times court pays less attention on gunineness of the complains and the innocent people suffers for it.
here one more question involved that, the case of false promise to marry, is converted to rape case. what will happen if the same happened to a boy? 376 can not touch a girl for rape. is it not a discrimination on the basis of gender, under art 15(1) of the constitution? is it a genuine case to protect a person, under art 15(3) of the constitution - as she is women?
Contradiction between art 15(1) & 15 (3) of the constitution not yet judicially decided. Judicial and parliamentary attention badly required on the issue - to protect the genuinity of a matter.
i am also a victim of such case. i have seen it very closely. i feel the feelings of the genuine parties grivences.
Rajan Salvi (Lawyer) 18 February 2010
MY PERSONAL VIEW. :
The earlier man [ as in mankind] looses his awe about 's*x' and 'religion' the better.
Rajan Salvi (Lawyer) 18 February 2010
Both 'Sex' and 'religion' have been unnecessariily glorified. Both are the cause of oppresion/injustice etc and an excessive indulgence in both befuddles the brain - preventing it from thinking rationally. Both are responsible for distorted views regarding human life. Both possess a persons mind like a vice griping any material. There is no succor. A person disilusioned with one, pursues the other. By the time he realises 'what is what' he becomes old and dies. NExt generation is already there ................... to get fooled.
Arup Kumar Gupta, Korba, Chattishgarh ((m)9893058429) 18 February 2010
salvi sir, please explain the matter slight elaborately in plain language. perhaps you are telling some bare truth, but i can't follow it in toto.
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