Please see this too;
Satya Narayana Palukuru (Advocates & Mediators.) 18 September 2010
A client after 101 enquiries only enter into a lawyers office and settles only where he is comfortable
RANJISH aaaa (own) 19 September 2010
Sir, that is a practically impossible task to get such a data
It was said IMPOSSIBLE for men on earth to go to SPACE. Now space shuttles are going successfully and coming back with successful programme.
Comparatively is it very easy to have data of our just neighbour advocates. If they do not submit their track record to BCI their lincence should be rejected. So simple.
Adv.Aiyer VLV (Proprietor) 02 October 2010
mr.Tushar cosmic
first you can start such a transparent record for realtors and then you can even think of such a proposal here.
Your idea is misconceived
1. Advocate selection is not done blindly, people get oral recommendations and for big cases, existing advocates themselves show senior persons
2. like any financial offer - past performance is no guarantee for present case
3. any person who is newly coming then will not get any case to handle, is that what u want?
4 how about judges, many earlier judgement would have been judges who were colleagues, and would have been periods when this advocate was wanting to prove himself.
i am against any such data to be made available, it is against Art21, violation of privacy. Advocate practice is his personal information.
sorry
Originally posted by :Ram Samudre - DRF | ||
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Dear Tushar ! why you want to see me thrown out of LCI? Anyways. It is the bottom line of DRF that; We are ready for any question from anyone at anytime", so... RTI Act 2005 is applicable to public authorities only. Please read clause (h) of section 2 of RTI Act 2005; "public authority" means any authority or body or institution of self-government established or constituted- (a) by or under the Constitution (b) by any other law made by Parliament (c) by any other law made by State Legislature; (d) by notification issued or order made by the appropriate Government-...... In general view Advocates are not a public authority. But, my personal opinion is that; since they are registered with BCI so they comes under sub-clause (a) of clause (h) of section 2 of this act. We will now start its examination. Thanks to you for bringing our attention to it. |
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PART III
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
Right to Freedom
21. Protection of life and personal liberty.-
No person shall be deprived of his life or personal liberty except according to procedure established by law.
How it is a personal liberty?
Advocate takes money from clients under some promise to serve with special service and if the advocates hide their real qualification so is making false promise and taking money keeping the client under false impression regarding their efficiency is not fraud?
Prof. sir, please teach us art.21 as how it gives liberty to advocates to do this fraud. waiting
Adv.Aiyer VLV (Proprietor) 05 October 2010
Ms. Kamini
your query is unclear.
what is advocate hiding real qualification?
what is special service?
you are not clear on what is fraud? what has fraud got to do with efficiency?
you as HR - hire people, what index you have for efficiency? if you work inefficiently are you committing fraud?
please you are in a lawyers forum, so keep your queries with that decency and decorum of the forum.
regards
Originally posted by :Prof... VLV | ||
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mr.Tushar cosmic first you can start such a transparent record for realtors and then you can even think of such a proposal here. Your idea is misconceived 1. Advocate selection is not done blindly, people get oral recommendations and for big cases, existing advocates themselves show senior persons 2. like any financial offer - past performance is no guarantee for present case 3. any person who is newly coming then will not get any case to handle, is that what u want? 4 how about judges, many earlier judgement would have been judges who were colleagues, and would have been periods when this advocate was wanting to prove himself. i am against any such data to be made available, it is against Art21, violation of privacy. Advocate practice is his personal information. sorry |
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PART III
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
Right to Freedom
21. Protection of life and personal liberty.-
No person shall be deprived of his life or personal liberty except according to procedure established by law.
How it is a personal liberty?
Advocate takes money from clients under some promise to serve with special service and if the advocates hide their real qualification so is making false promise and taking money keeping the client under false impression regarding their efficiency is not fraud?
Prof. sir, please teach us art.21 as how it gives liberty to advocates to do this fraud. waiting
Originally posted by :Prof... VLV | ||
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Ms. Kamini your query is unclear. what is advocate hiding real qualification? what is special service? you are not clear on what is fraud? what has fraud got to do with efficiency? you as HR - hire people, what index you have for efficiency? if you work inefficiently are you committing fraud? please you are in a lawyers forum, so keep your queries with that decency and decorum of the forum. regards |
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so this is personal liberty protected by Art.21 are you like to teach, so sorry and thanks
Originally posted by :Ram Samudre - DRF | ||
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1. Track record should be available and in transparent manner like on internet site of BCI. 2. It should be mandatory for validity of registration in BCI to submit periodical track record with details as needed by Mr. Tushar including progress of each case such as dates attended. 3. It should be mandatory to submit a copy of every Vakalatnama to BCI. 4. As a paid service Advocy should also be responsible & accountable and there should be a forum of BCI like "Consumer Forum". More suggestions please. It is going to be a revolution initiated by TUSHARCOMIC and DRF will be with him for this move. |
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very nice, it can be done easily. 2 suggestions from me -
1. In vakalatnama the column for amount of fees and mode of payment should be included and all the payments of fees should be made by cheque.
2. Yearly statement of property own by the advocates during the current year, should be mandatory to submit to BCI for validity for the next year, like public servants (paid servants).
Adv.Aiyer VLV (Proprietor) 06 October 2010
Ms. Kamini
suggestions from me
1. All your salary and other income details to be posted on a website and published so we all can view and future employers can see, if u were really employed how much you were drawing.
2. your personal appraisal to be published so that everyone knows if you are efficient or committing fraud(as per your definition inefficiency is fraud) and index of how efficient you are can be published.
3. your wealth details to be declared and income tax return can be published in a website so the entire world knows who you are and what you are.
if you can't do it, you must stop making statement which does not make sense.
Lawyer is not any lower to you, as a citizen he has equal right to privacy
hope this link will stop wasting time
regards
Originally posted by :Prof... VLV | ||
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Ms. Kamini suggestions from me 1. All your salary and other income details to be posted on a website and published so we all can view and future employers can see, if u were really employed how much you were drawing. 2. your personal appraisal to be published so that everyone knows if you are efficient or committing fraud(as per your definition inefficiency is fraud) and index of how efficient you are can be published. 3. your wealth details to be declared and income tax return can be published in a website so the entire world knows who you are and what you are. if you can't do it, you must stop making statement which does not make sense. Lawyer is not any lower to you, as a citizen he has equal right to privacy hope this link will stop wasting time regards |
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thank you Prof. for teaching me your logic of protection of personal liberty with Art.21
Adv.Aiyer VLV (Proprietor) 06 October 2010
Ms.Kamini
when you accept you are bowled over by logic, it is everyone's logic. scientific
hope the lessons have sunk in well.
regards
Keeping different hopes as per own choice is everyone's birth right. People may keep hope of Art.21 for protection of personal liberty in this regard but it is "hopelessness" for me. Art.21 also says that ONE SHOULD NOT CLUB OTHERS FORCIBLY WITH HIS/HER OWN CHOICE so pl go ahead on your path. Best wishes.