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Nitesh (SO)     23 October 2011

Confirmation for notice period

Hi

I work for a well known Ltd bank. Recently I have resigned from my company.As per company policy I have to serve  a notice period of 90 days. However, my new employer has asked for  an immediate joining. With due discussions, they have agreed to wait for a month. I have spoken to my seniors at the branch to reduce my notice period but have received a negative reply. I am willing to pay off the shortage of notice period, but my seniors are not agreeing to relieve me early. With this background, I need certain clarifications:

1. Does a banking firm(pvt bank) fall under Labour Law jurisdiction?

2. can I presurize my seniors to relieve me early?

3. If I leave my present employer after due intimations without serving the complete notice period, will I be termed as absconding?

4.  If I leave my present employer after due intimations without serving the complete notice period, am I eligible for a relieving letter or experience certificate?

 

Kindly reply urgently as I ahve only 5 days to decide upon it.



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Kumar Doab (FIN)     24 October 2011

Kindly check your appointment letter. Company/Bank might have stated that notice pay in lieu of notice period shall be at the sole discretion and decision of the management. It seems you have made a verbal request only and the same has been declined verbally, thus there is no written record. What is your designation, nature of duties, role and responsibility?

It may be an internal policy of the company to block issuance of not only relieving letter, but experience/service certificate as well, and the concerned HR personnel of your present employer may zealously guard the policies. If they do not they shall invite repercussions from their superiors. You may obtain the soft or hard copy of employee rules, certified standing orders of the company which may be at HR page of intranet of the company or you can obtain it from concerned personnel of the company. If these have not been circulated by the company to you, you are within your rights to demand and obtain a copy from appointing authority/MD/Head-HR etc. HR personnel can also guide you to the location where all internal policies of the company are available.

You should apply your rapport, goodwill, negotiation, persuasion, persistence, reasoning skills with your superiors and obtain their intervention to turn the events in your favor. It is the easiest and best option. It is seen that some of the employees are able to achieve it.

It seems you have not even submitted notice of resignation.

You can submit, under proper acknowledgment, with a copy to you, notice of resignation/representation, with effective date of resignation clearly stated, to good offices of your appointing authority, MD, Head-HR, company secretary and request the good offices to relieve you on the effective date of resignation. You should obtain acknowledgment of your notice in writing.

You may offer to tender notice pay against shortfall in notice period, and ask the good offices to ensure, completion of smooth exit formalities, within effective date of resignation. You can request to ensure settlement of you’re a/c, and supply you the FNF statement, work experience/service certificate, relieving certificate, from 16, PF accumulation reports-withdrawal/transfer forms, NDC etc. You should request to inform you to whom the charge and company property should be handed over and the designated employee may be advised, with a copy to you, to handover the acknowledgment (on the spot ) to you. You should obtain comments that nothing is pending at your end. You may mention that routine work may be assigned to you upto effective date of your resignation and you should complete all tasks on hand and obtain comments from your superiors that nothing is pending. If they do not write so you may submit communication from your end that you have completed all tasks and nothing is pending at your end. You should build record in your favor. You may mention that you are willing to cooperate and train the designated replacement employee upto and within effective date of resignation and you may be informed sufficiently in advance. You may seek an appointment with good offices and press your case. You should submit a reminder say after each 7 days, and should submit final resignation on effective date of resignation, under proper acknowledgment, with a copy to you. You should not leave any room for the company to charge you on any count. If you have taken all the right steps company should not be able to post adverse comments in reference check, conduct column in relieving letter. If company does you can sue them to print retraction.

Company can sit on relieving letter but can not block others. Relieving letter is issued after all settlements have taken place. FNF, acknowledgment of company property/NDC must suffice. Your next employer must be aware of the practices and may absorb you.

If you have

However you should express in writing, under proper acknowledgment, with a copy to you, that you shall be able to submit copy of your notice of resignation, final resignation and proof of its dispatch, only at the time of joining and can submit relieving letter, experience certificate, if and as and when received , from your previous employer, only.

Your company/bank if zealous, and decided to take your case to deter other employees, can proceed to deny the notice pay in lieu of notice period and can issue communication/notice/legal notice/ show cause notice to you and can declare you absconding. However if you have sufficient record, evidences you should be able to defend yourself.

It is seen that some of the pvt. Bank employees also have unions and staff is very well informed e.g. Christian Syrian bank. Your bank staff may also be member of some union/affiliated union. You can become member of some union. Union can come forward to represent/advice/guide you.

In your next venture/s, please study the appointment letter carefully and obtain employee rules, certified standing orders. You can submit gentle dissent to the clauses you wish to disagree before induction, under receipt, and keep the acknowledgment with you. If you are the right candidate, company shall induct you.

Nitesh (SO)     24 October 2011

Thank You for your detailed reply.

We have an online mode for submitting our resignation. I have submitted the same on 07/10/11 , post which I have been in dailogues with my seniors for reduction of notice period. I have gone through the resignation FAQs and have studied the same. It says that the reduction notice period is at the sole discretion of the company.

 

Also, I have been working on building records in my favor. I will like to mention my plan of action and request you for your suggestions:

1 On 22/10/11 , I have marked an email to my Employee relationship Manager with CC to my boss and super boss. In the mail I have mentioned my expected date of relieiving as 01/11/11 . Also I have mentioned about my willingness to pay off the shortage of notice period, requesting them to relieve me early.

2. Further, I plan to give them a reminder, post which another email will be marked informing them about my inability to serve the company post 31/10/2011 whether they agree or disagree to relieve me.

3. Atlast a final mail will be sent on 31/10/2011, informing them that I will be unavailable for their service from the next day(i.e 01/11/2011)

Kindly let me know whether this is a sufficient record to prove (in legal courts or anywhere) that I have not absconded and have given my best attempt to fulfill my services.

Kumar Doab (FIN)     24 October 2011

It is felt that:

-Yyou should address your notice of resignation/representations to your appointing authority, MD/Chairman seeking acknowledgment of notice and acceptance of notice pay in lieu of notice period.It is believed  they are the approving authorities.You can keep others in loop, who can recommend your case.

-You should write effective date of resignation in place of  expected date of relieving.

-You should submit finally resignation on efffective date of resignation.

Kindly proceed as deemed fit.

Nitesh (SO)     24 October 2011

Thank You again..

Just a few queries

1. Following the above method , are there any chances of me getting a relieving letter?

2.Also, I have read that whether a company gives you a relieving letter or not. it is legally bound to provide you an experience certificate. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

 

 

Kumar Doab (FIN)     24 October 2011

Relieving letter is issued post all settlements. Once you have settled completion of all tasks on hand, submission of company property, submission of notice of resignation (1 month or 3 month), your appeal to wave off notice period/accept salary in lieu of notice period, submission of notice pay equivalent to shortfall in notice period, etc etc.( if there is anything else to be settled in your company you should know it )there should not be anything left at your end  to be settled.

Hence you can demand relieving letter. Relieving letter format used by your company may have a column for conduct; it is discretion of the company to post good/adverse comments. You would know if you had any altercation, dispute etc for which you were counseled and if anything was recorded in your appraisal. Company can sit on relieving letter.

A smart employee shall apply skills and may be able to skillfully convert the events in his favor. Your line management can support you and facilitate you.

Work experience certificate/service certificate shall mention your name department/designation, location, tenure of service without any comments on conduct. This certificate is to be issued by the company. This certificate along with FNF, acknowledgment of company property should suffice.

A zealous and ferocious employer/HR can still charge the employee e.g. causing loss with abrupt termination of service; however you have tendered one month notice, which is not a short duration.

The new employer can ask you to submit an affidavit (and can provide a model language) stating you are not employed elsewhere.

Kindly show all your docs to your service lawyer/law firm and they can help you to send structured communications.

 Valuable advice of learned experts/members is sought.

SURESH GODBOLE (ADVOCATE)     28 October 2011

the question is how long are you working with this Ltd Bank

What post are you joining and in which Organization

Is the post you are joining is of very high rank than the present post

Did you apply thro proper channel after getting NOC from the prsent employer.

Does your future employer knows of the present binding of Yourself.

If your present Employment is of a long perid then its better to ask the future employer to wait for another month or so .

If present employment  is of recent past and you have huge prospects in future org , then leave it after giving resignation thro registered post , ack due , and by hand too .

rest depends on all facts best known to you

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Nitesh (SO)     28 October 2011

I have been with the present employer for 4.5 yrs. Also the future employment is not in any bank, but is an investment company, where I will be responsible for the overall operations. Its a sort of job with higher level of resposibilities.

The selection process didnot require an NOC from the present employer and hence the same was not sought for.

The future employer is aware of my bindings with the present employer, however they want an immediate joining. After due discussion they had agreed to wait for a month.

My major concern is that if I move-off from the present employer without serving the complete notice period(but with due intimation), What can be the LEGAL and COMPLIANCE repercussions that can be expected in the future.??

Also suggest whether is it advisable to take the above mentioned step if the present employer are not agreeing to accept or negotiate upon  the notice period??

Your valuable suggestions are of utmost importance.

SURESH GODBOLE (ADVOCATE)     28 October 2011

My advice ,

                       DO NOT MOVE UNLESS ITS A PSU or GOVT Company OR A BIG CORPORASTION LIKE INDIAN OIL or CWC etc

                      Bank is Bank and will remain Bank

                      I do not know the jump , but if you compare the benefits , No private Org can match unless you are going in Infosys etc

 

                      THINK 1000 times

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