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dip2016   06 April 2016

New employer

Team,

I joined X organisation in december 15 after waiting for 2 months there was no work and I was on bench in between I got other offer from Y company they asked me to abscond from X comapny and join immediately.As per communication with Y company joined Y company in month of Feb and I stropped going X company.15 days later
after joining Y company there was no communication from X company , no one asked me where are u why u r not coming to office so I resigned on same day from X company.After 7 days HR from X company asked me the reason why r u leaving and HR ready to relieve me in 7 days.I got the relieving letter from X company having end date 15 march.

But HR from Y company knows that I already absconded from X company and joined.

When I dropped mail to HR from Y company stating that


As I do not have any document from Xa(Though I came from X company I mentioned in a mail Xa company as I do not want to disclose the company where I came from) company from where I came, I will not submit any document from same organisation and this will not create any issue with me in future with career with Y company please confirm.

 



After reading mail HR told me that this will not create any problem with u.you can carry on , but at same time denied to give written confirmation.

After that hr told me that u can again reply back to same mail as please ignore as we do not want mail like this officially.


Now my concern is will this really makes an issue with my career with Y company.(Because this is also MNC).

Please suggest.



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 12 Replies

Kumar Doab (FIN)     07 April 2016

If you have  resigned from X on the close of office hours a day before you joined Y there is no dual employment.

Since you have resigned from X, in writing, hence you have not absconded.

Since X has relieved you also, hence it is bleieved that there are no issues, pending with X.

What was the notice period in X, what was your designation and nature of duties, and you were located in which state? Whats is line of business of X?

From the query it i sfelt that you are not good at drafting. therefore it is suggested that you may seek help from elders in the family, employee's/trade union leaders. 

 

dip2016   07 April 2016

Thanks Sir,

For your valueable input.

I relieved from X org on 25th Feb but joined Y Org on 8th Feb,I resigned X org on 15th Feb.I am located in Maharashtra n this is It MNC.

 Hr in Y org knows that I have absconded.When I ask HR to give me written confirmation regarding same HR told me that this will not cause any issue in future but i can not give to confirmation in writting.So it would be better if you can replay back email as please ignore the mail.

 

Mail that i sent to HR from Y org was below.

As I do not have any document from Xa(Though I came from X company I mentioned in a mail Xa company as I do not want to disclose the company where I came from) company from where I came, I will not submit any document from same organisation and this will not create any issue with me in future with career with Y company please confirm.

 

 

This was the situation.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kumar Doab (FIN)     07 April 2016

It was expected and that is why it was suggested that '  you may seek help from elders in the family, employee's/trade union leaders. '..................................even Labor Law Consultant.

 

In future also you may first consult then act.

 

HR of current employer fufilled his selfish interest (filled the vacancy) without asking you to first resign and get relieved. 

 

You erred by acting on a suggestion that is deterimental to your interest.

You are now contemplating to conceal past employment (that too in writing to current employer), double employment...................

 

Either submit revised resignation letter and get revised relieving letter from past employer ( difficult) or revised appointment letter from current employer.

 

Consult before you act on your own.

 

 

dip2016   07 April 2016

Hello Sir,

I was not excepting relieving letter from employer X and even in future i will not use that as i was there only for 2 months.

But as per Hr's suggetion from X I resigned and got they gave me relieving letter.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Kumar Doab (FIN)     07 April 2016

You won't be able to explain the gap if you do not show the 2 month's experience.

If you conceal any employer at any time during BGV may find out.

Better sort it out by your own skills.

It has been explained in detail.

Rest is upto you.

LN MARAK   08 April 2016

HI,

I joined a  company on 10th feb 2015   and i have completed my one year on 10th feb 2016 as trainee and iam getting stipend but now i want to leave this company anyhow but the challenge is i did not get  any appointment and comfirmation letter yet which i was promised to get after one  year  completion  with accumulated variable of 2000 everymonth . so if i leave without this letters  my experience will go in void or waste and also i don't get any salary slip . HR department just gives go around and say still in the process and its been april 7th 2016 .

so i request you all to guide me because my career is at stake.

Thank you 

LNM

Kumar Doab (FIN)     08 April 2016

If you are engaged as 'Trainee'  (on stipend0 then either it is as per Standing Orders of the Management, or 'Apprentice' as per Apprenticeship Act/Rules.

 

In such case the relationship is not that of employer-employee.

It is upto the management to issue a communique narrating if you can be engaged as employee after training/apprenticeship.

 

 

The payment of variables may have conditions attached to it.

The certificate of training should be issued.

 

However you may show all docs on record including the advertisment, application, interview call letter, selection letter, contract/agreement/offer whatever has been issued to you to elders in the family, labor law consultant and understand the options, than proceeding on your own.

 

Sudhir Kumar, Advocate (Advocate)     13 April 2016

repeated https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/details.asp?mod_id=135700&offset=1#.Vw5JPDFMzwo

dip2016   24 April 2016

Hello Sir,

i know there is some mistake from my side, my concern is will my current situation will cause case of cheating againt me, because i have specified wrong company name in email to hr.

 

in below email

Mail that i sent to HR from Y org was below.

As I do not have any document from Xa(Though I came from X company I mentioned in a mail Xa company as I do not want to disclose the company where I came from) company from where I came, I will not submit any document from same organisation and this will not create any issue with me in future with career with Y company please confirm.

or shall i reply back to hr is  please ignore the mail because HR do not want any docs from X company.

 

 

Please suggest,

 

 

 

Kumar Doab (FIN)     24 April 2016

@dip2016,

You may consult an able Labor Law Consultant in person.

dip2016   25 April 2016

Hi Kumar,

Thanks for your reply

I got answer from one of legal forum as per below.

Prima facie, you are liable to be prosecuted for cheating for obtaining employment through concealment of information. The punishment is imprisonment of 2 years on conviction. Keep your HR and other higher echelons happy.

Is this issue is so serious that it will cause 2 years imprisonment.

Please guide me i am in big big tension now.

Even i am not able to setting up the record as per your suggetion Hr is not ready and I do not have the proof I have no idea what will happen in future.

Thanks

 

 

Kumar Doab (FIN)     25 April 2016

Last reply

You are probably posting queries in different forums, sending emails, PM's.

You have apparently not consulted an able counsel in person.

If the issue crops up at anytime in future your lawyer can act to defend you. 

 

I have nothing more to post.

You may wait for the advise of other experts/members.

It shall be better to consult an able counsel in person.


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