Unreasonable
abhimanyu
(Querist) 20 June 2013
This query is : Resolved
A company takes loan from another company B, which provides loans on unreasonable terms. At the time of re-payment, A raises objection to the unreasonable terms of B and does not repay as per those terms.
Is A's objection tenable when it agreed to those reasonable terms at the time of taking loan.
Guest
(Expert) 20 June 2013
Academic query.
prabhakar singh
(Expert) 20 June 2013
Without knowing the terms with reference to facts we or any body can not brand the terms unreasonable.
Unless barred by law it is open to two judicial persons to arrive at any contract they mutually decide.
When you have objections if your query is rightfully branded as "academic or hypothetical" then you ask a senior expert to restrain him from any comment.
But without giving mind that how can one arrive at a conclusion that "a term is unreasonable" you expect answer which is quite ridiculous.
Guest
(Expert) 20 June 2013
Mr. Abhimanyu,
Thanks for your valuable advice, "In case you cannot answer the query or do not wish to answer the query."
But, mind it, you cannot forbid any member to express his views on any open question in this section.
Secondly, whosover can answer or wish to answer is not bound to assume your concept of reasonableness or unreasonableness as correct to answer you on your own dotted lines, when you keep everything secret from them about terms of agreement, background, and circumstances of the event? Implication of law depends upon several parameters of the case or event.
So, without mention of your so called unreasonable terms and nature of objection, and other backgrounds, including the circumstances in which the agreement was entered in to, your question case represents nothing except a hypothetical and academic query.
OK, if you want my unspecific answer on your unspecific and hypothetic question, my reply is as follows:
Tenability of objection of A company about unreasonable terms depends if the court of law declares the agreement as void. So, file the case in the court of law to get the judgment. So, you will have to be satisfied only with such type of answers from members, if you post such unspecific hypothetic questions, instead of a real problem with appropriate background for some solution.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 21 June 2013
Since facts are not disclosed the query appears the one created by teacher for classwork exercise.
Guest
(Expert) 21 June 2013
Mr. Abhimanyu,
Congratulations for saving your face by acting smart in getting deleted by administration the posts of other experts, who showed solidarity behind me through theiir posts.
You really proved to be very smart by trying to get erased the root cause also by getting your own post with unwanted remarks against me also deleted by the adminstration. But sorry to point out, you were still not able to get deleted your unwarranted remarks "in case you cannot answer the query or do not wish to answer the query," as stand reproduced in my reply to your second (deleted) post. Naturally, you would have been able to get deleted such of your remarks from my post without reporting abuse. I wonder, why you failed to report my subsequent post also as abuse? Why not get that also deleted? What was the relevance and use of keeping intact my second post, which was in reply to your response to my 1st post, but you got your own remarks deleted?
If you posted something, you must also be able to show courage to face responses of members also.
I very well understand, you would report my present exposing post also as abuse.
prabhakar singh
(Expert) 21 June 2013
Yes!Dhingra ji!
You are right,I am a witness to your saying and my post is the proof.
Guest
(Expert) 21 June 2013
Yes Prabhakar ji,
I know there were at least 3-4 posts including yours, but the fellow got deleted that included his own supplenetary post on which I responded through my 2nd post.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 22 June 2013
POINT BY POINT RESPONSE OF MINE IS AS FOLLLOWS TO
RESPECTED SHRI DHINGRA JI'S REPLY
But, mind it, you cannot forbid any member to express his views on any open question in this section.
I CAN NOT DARE TO FORBID ANY MEMBER......AS THIS IS INTERACTIVE PLATFORM.
Secondly, whosover can answer or wish to answer is not bound to assume your concept of reasonableness or unreasonableness as correct to answer you on your own dotted lines, when you keep everything secret from them about terms of agreement, background, and circumstances of the event? Implication of law depends upon several parameters of the case or event.
THE QUERY CAN BE ATTEMPTED TREATING TERMS AS UNREASONABLE RATHER THAN FIRST DECIDING WHETHER TERMS ARE REASONABLE OR UNREASONABLE PARTICULARLY WHEN QUERIST WHILE RAISING QUERY HAS SAID THAT TERMS ARE UNREASONABLE. NOTHING IS SECRET, TERMS IF HAD BEEN ASKED WOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.
So, without mention of your so called unreasonable terms and nature of objection, and other backgrounds, including the circumstances in which the agreement was entered in to, your question case represents nothing except a hypothetical and academic query.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR RESPONSE AND I AM EXTREMELY SORRY.
OK, if you want my unspecific answer on your unspecific and hypothetic question, my reply is as follows:
Tenability of objection of A company about unreasonable terms depends if the court of law declares the agreement as void. So, file the case in the court of law to get the judgment. So, you will have to be satisfied only with such type of answers from members, if you post such unspecific hypothetic questions, instead of a real problem with appropriate background for some solution.
Congratulations for saving your face by acting smart in getting deleted by administration the posts of other experts, who showed solidarity behind me through theiir posts.
KINDLY BELIEVE ME I DO NOT KNOW WHO HAS AND HOW THE POSTS HAVE BEEN DELETED.
You really proved to be very smart by trying to get erased the root cause also by getting your own post with unwanted remarks against me also deleted by the adminstration. But sorry to point out, you were still not able to get deleted your unwarranted remarks "in case you cannot answer the query or do not wish to answer the query," as stand reproduced in my reply to your second (deleted) post. Naturally, you would have been able to get deleted such of your remarks from my post without reporting abuse. I wonder, why you failed to report my subsequent post also as abuse? Why not get that also deleted? What was the relevance and use of keeping intact my second post, which was in reply to your response to my 1st post, but you got your own remarks deleted?
I REITERATE, KINDLY BELIEVE ME I DO NOT HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT DELETION.
If you posted something, you must also be able to show courage to face responses of members also.
KINDLY GUIDE ME HOW I CAN FIND OUT ABOUT DELETION.
I very well understand, you would report my present exposing post also as abuse.
NOT AT ALL RESPECTED SIR. I AM VERY SORRY ONCE AGAIN.
I know there were at least 3-4 posts including yours, but the fellow got deleted that included his own supplenetary post on which I responded through my 2nd post.
PLEASE TRUST ME I AM INNOCENT ABOUT DELETION. RATHER I AM ALSO ANXIOUS TO KNOW WHO HAS DONE IT AND WHY.
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 24 June 2013
The comments of questioner were away from decency and does not deserve appreciation. Decorum must be maintained.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 26 June 2013
Rajendra K Goyal Ji, have you maintained decency and decorum by commenting above?
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 June 2013
in continuation of response of Mr Dhingra, I will reiterate that
Since facts are not disclosed the query appears the one created by teacher for classwork exercise.
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 26 June 2013
Dear author ji,
In-spite of blaming and commenting back, it would be better to accept the fact which one can feel from your comments.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 June 2013
dear author,
This is a charitable forum and advise is being given free of cost. The seeker of free advise has to maintain decency.
experts here give free advise using their private time, private net connection, private electricity etc. at the cost of comfort of self and family.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 26 June 2013
With due respect, I fail to restrain myself to not to respond to comments of experts since none of the experts has commented on the false allegations levelLed against me by Respected Shri Dhingra Ji. As such, my response is as follows:
FALSE ALLEGATIONS LEVELLED AGAINST ME BY RESPECTED SHRI DHINGRA JI AND MY REPLIES ALREADY GIVEN TO HIM
ALLEGATION NO. 1
Congratulations for saving your face by acting smart in getting deleted by administration the posts of other experts, who showed solidarity behind me through their posts.
MY REPLY
KINDLY BELIEVE ME I DO NOT KNOW WHO HAS AND HOW THE POSTS HAVE BEEN DELETED.
ALLEGATION NO. 2.
You really proved to be very smart by trying to get erased the root cause also by getting your own post with unwanted remarks against me also deleted by the adminstration. But sorry to point out, you were still not able to get deleted your unwarranted remarks "in case you cannot answer the query or do not wish to answer the query," as stand reproduced in my reply to your second (deleted) post. Naturally, you would have been able to get deleted such of your remarks from my post without reporting abuse. I wonder, why you failed to report my subsequent post also as abuse? Why not get that also deleted? What was the relevance and use of keeping intact my second post, which was in reply to your response to my 1st post, but you got your own remarks deleted?
MY REPLY
I REITERATE, KINDLY BELIEVE ME I DO NOT HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT DELETION.
APPREHENSION OF SHRI DHINGRA
I very well understand, you would report my present exposing post also as abuse.
MY REPLY
NOT AT ALL RESPECTED SIR. I AM VERY SORRY ONCE AGAIN.
ALLEGATION NO. 3
I know there were at least 3-4 posts including yours, but the fellow got deleted that included his own supplenetary post on which I responded through my 2nd post.
MY REPLY
PLEASE TRUST ME I AM INNOCENT ABOUT DELETION. RATHER I AM ALSO ANXIOUS TO KNOW WHO HAS DONE IT AND WHY.
COMMENTS OF RESPECTED SHRI Rajendra K Goyal Ji
COMMENT NO. 1.
The comments of questioner were away from decency and does not deserve appreciation. Decorum must be maintained.
COMMENT NO. 2
In-spite of blaming and commenting back, it would be better to accept the fact which one can feel from your comments.
COMMENTS OF RESPECTED SHRI SUDHIR KUMAR
COMMENT NO. 1
in continuation of response of Mr Dhingra, I will reiterate that
Since facts are not disclosed the query appears the one created by teacher for classwork exercise.
COMMENT NO. 2
This is a charitable forum and advise is being given free of cost. The seeker of free advise has to maintain decency.
experts here give free advise using their private time, private net connection, private electricity etc. at the cost of comfort of self and family.
MY RESPONSE:
1. RESPECTED SHRI DHINGRA JI conveyed, inter alia,as follows
But, mind it, you cannot forbid any member to express his views on any open question in this section.
MY REPLY WAS
I CAN NOT DARE TO FORBID ANY MEMBER......AS THIS IS INTERACTIVE PLATFORM.
Now I raise a pertinent question in this regard. An open query is resolved by just labeling it as 'academic query' and the querist has no right to say anything on this interactive platform even if false allegations are levelled against him. Will it be called an "interactive platform"?
2. Were above two Comments of Respected SHRI RAJENDRA K. GOEL JI warranted when I had already conveyed Respected Shri Dhingra Ji as follows
"THANKS VERY MUCH FOR RESPONSE AND I AM EXTREMELY SORRY"
and more particularly when Respected Shri Dhingra Ji had ignored my replies to his false allegations?
3. Similarly, was Comment no. 1 of Respected SHRI SUDHIR KUMAR JI warranted when I had already conveyed Respected Shri Dhingra Ji as follows
"THANKS VERY MUCH FOR RESPONSE AND I AM EXTREMELY SORRY"
and more particularly when Respected Shri Dhingra Ji had ignored my replies to his false allegations?
4. I am at a loss to understand why Respected Shri Sudhir Kumar gave Comment no. 2 free of cost by using his private time, private net connection, private electricity etc. at the cost of comfort of him and his family.
5. In any case, I am grateful to BOTH Respected SHRI PRABHAKAR SINGH JI AND RESPECTED SHRI PS DHINGRA JI, FOR SOME REPLY although query was treated as "Academic". However, the query relates to genuine problem being faced in practical life.
6. In the last, I request whosoever has deleted the posts, as alleged by Respected Shri Dhingra Ji, should come forward and tell truthfully whether I have played any role in such deletion.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 26 June 2013
I think with the detailed clarification of Abhimanyu, this chapter should be treated as closed.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 29 June 2013
He take exam of the experts another example
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/APPOINTMENT-401241.asp
abhimanyu
(Querist) 02 July 2013
Why are you after me Respected Shri Sudhir Kumar. Quoted below are all your posts:
"POST 1
Since facts are not disclosed the query appears the one created by teacher for classwork exercise.
POST 2
In continuation of response of Mr Dhingra, I will reiterate that
Since facts are not disclosed the query appears the one created by teacher for classwork exercise.
POST 3
dear author,
This is a charitable forum and advise is being given free of cost. The seeker of free advise has to maintain decency.
experts here give free advise using their private time, private net connection, private electricity etc. at the cost of comfort of self and family.
POST 4
He take exam of the experts another example
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/APPOINTMENT-401241.asp
PLEASE INFORM PUBLIC WHAT PURPOSE DO ABOVE POSTS SERVE WHEN MY QUERY RELATES TO A SITUATION WHICH DOES OCCUR IN DAY TO DAY DEALINGS.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 26 July 2013
FOR MR. SUDHIR KUMAR
PLEASE REFER TO MY FOLLOWING POST UNDER THE QUERY 'LIST OF WITNESSES'
Mr.Sudhir Kumar, you have become habitual of labelling my queries as 'Academic Query' by using your private time, private net connection, private electricity etc. at the cost of comfort of youself and your family However, when I convey my side of the picture, you cleverly keep silence. This is not fair. My request to you with folded hands is not to look at my queries and waste your precious time, money and energy. However, I would definitely like you to give response to my earlier posts in other queries, where you cleverly kept silence. I am requesting for your response in each of those columns where that happened.
PLEASE SEE YOUR ABOVE FOUR POSTS AND AND INFORM PUBLIC AS REQUESTED.
BELOW ARE OTHER LINKS WHERE YOU HAVE LABELLED MY GENUINE QUERIES AS ACADEMIC:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/List-of-witnesses-409881.asp#.UfM8ojtyCgs
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Senior-citizen-404561.asp
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Appointment-401241.asp
