Female as a karta in huf ??
Bharati Agarwal
(Querist) 20 July 2016
This query is : Resolved
Sunil Kumar Gupta Huf was constituted in 1991 with Mr.Sunil Kumar as Karta, Mrs Saroj Gupta(Wife), Ms. Sarika & Ms. Indu (both daughters) as Members. Presently both daughters are major & un-married. This HUF has maintains a SB Account and Depository Account with a private sector Bank where Mr Sunil Kumar was only signatory as karta. Both accounts have deposits. Mr Sunil Kumar has demised recently with a will. The Bank has made Debit Freeze in both the accounts and is asking for any of these for releasing the fund and shares:
01. Succession / Probate Certificate
02. Court Decree / order
03. A Registered Family Settlement Deed executed by all Legal Heirs of the demised karta.
As suggested by tax practioner, the HUF has been properly re-constituted by all three female survivors and the senior most female member, the wife & mother Mrs Saroj Gupta is designated as Karta and the two major & unmarried daughters remain members/coparceners.
A family settlement Deed is prepared by all legal heirs of late Sunil Kumar Gupta, i.e. the mother, the wife, and the two daughters to the effect that the HUF entity shall survive with three females as described above. The mother has agreed to throw her shares (1/4th of 25% belonging to demised karta) in both accounts to the existing HUF and thus the HUF shall survive in its re-constituted form. The Bank is not agreed. The Bank insist on the eldest daughter be made as karta in case of depository account, which is contradicted by practioners.
Sir(s) with due respect please thro light on the issue and clarify (in the light of amended Hindu Succession Act and other court decisions recently on the issue)
01. whether an HUF shall survive with its re-constitution where in senior most surviving female(wife of demised karta) as Manager/Karta and the two major - un married daughters as members/coparceners ?
An urgent and multiple Expert Opinion is sought as we have seen rampant ignorance about it in course of our journey for the resolution of our matter.
Thanks & Regards
R.K Nanda
(Expert) 20 July 2016
Query too long.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 20 July 2016
>> The opinion of the Bank probably rests on;
that "Presently both daughters are major .............The Bank insist on the eldest daughter be made as karta in case of depository account"
Coparcener is by birth.
>>> As the widow is not coparcener, she has no legal qualification to become a katra.
Since, a female was not considered as coparcener, she was not empowered to act as Karta.
Supreme Court of India
Commissioner Of Income-Tax, ... vs Seth Govindram Sugar Mills Ltd on 26 March, 1965
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/954858/
Hindu Mother can act a manger to HUF for the purpose of assessment and recovery of taxes
Calcutta High Court
Sm. Sushila Devi Rampuria vs Income Tax Officer And Anr. on 11 June, 1959
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/218169/
After amendment made by Hindu Succession (Amendment) Act, 2005, daughter can be coparcener of HUF like the sons of HUF. After her marriage she becomes member of her husband’s HUF and continues to be a coparcener of her father’s family.
Thus from 6thSeptember, 2005, after amendments made by Hindu Succession (Amendment) Act, 2005 in respect of position of female member, the daughter of coparcener shall by birth become a coparcener in her own right in the same manner as the son.
>>. IN THE HIGH COURT OF DELHI AT NEW DELHI
MRS. SUJATA SHARMA versus SHRI MANU GUPTA
“If a male member of an HUF, by virtue of his being the first born eldest, can be a Karta, so can a female member.
The Court finds no restriction in the law preventing the eldest female co-parcener of an HUF, from being its Karta.
‘https://indiankanoon.org/doc/94519965/
If there is no major male member then only a women can become a karta even voluntarily if it is decided amongst the family member that a women will be a karta.
If there are no other major members / major male members in the family to act as Karta or Manager of HUF, and if the Adult member of the Family is only Widow under such circumstances she can act as manager/Karta of the family.
>>> Nagpur high court in the case of CIT VS SETH LAXMI NARAYAN RAGHUNATHDAS 1948 16 ITR 313 NAG, held that a widow was competent to become the karta of HUF consisting of herself and her two
minor sons.
It is, therefore, improper and unjustifiable to say that a woman is inherently incompetent to be the manager of a joint family,………………………….
5……………………………………..
According to the Dayabhaga law, the foundation of a coparcenary is first laid on the death of the father. The property of the deceased, separate as well as ancestral, is inherited by his male heirs as coparcenary property and is held by them as coparceners. On the death of any one of the coparceners, his heirs succeed to his share in the coparcenary property and they become members of the coparcenary. Such heirs, in default of male issue, may be his widow or widows or his daughter or daughters. These too, though females, get into the coparcenary, representing the share of their husband or father as the case may be. A coparcenary under the Dayabhaga law may thus consist of males as well as females (vide Mulla's Principles of Hindu Law, 10th Edn., para. 277, p. 338). It is, therefore, obvious that under the Dayabhaga law a widow becomes a coparcener with male coparcener and she can consequently become the karta of the coparcenary or the joint family, although she or any other coparcener does not possess the right of survivorship, particularly if she is the only member sui juris left in the family
11. It is true that under the Mitakshara law, no female can be a coparcener with male coparceners, presumably because she does not possess the right to take by survivorship, but we do not think that either this right or the status of a coparcener is a sine qua non of competency to become the manager of a joint Hindu family of which she is admittedly a member.
http://www.taxpundit.org/phocadownload/ITR/16ITR/16ITR313.pdf
Now as per the Hindu Succession ( amendment ) Act 2005, that Female Member of joint Hindu family,
having acquired the status of a coparcener from her paternal ancestors as the status of HUF
property even after her marriage and thus she can therefore form HUF from the ancestral property
with her children being coparceners of this HUF.
Coparcener is a person who enjoys
interest in the family property by birth. The coparcener enjoys right to enforce partition.
A widow cannot be a Karta in HUF as she is not coparcener. If
the widow enjoys right in the property, at the most she can form a trust and appoint trustee of the
property. Only rights for regulation of the trust should be given to the trustee by way of duly
registered trust deed. The trustee shall take care of the child until she is 18 years old or even
after that.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 20 July 2016
SUPREME COURT OF INDIA;...........
"widow can be a manager of a joint family in some particular circumstances...............
“Such a role (as manager) necessarily has to be distinguished from that of a Karta which position the Hindu widow cannot assume by virtue of her disentitlement to be a coparcener in the Hindu Undivided Family (HUF) of her husband. Regrettably the position remains unaltered even after the amendment of the Hindu Succession Act in 2005.”
“Though women could not be treated as Karta of a joint family, she can be a manager of a joint family, in some particular circumstances,” it said. The bench also held that the expression ‘Manager’ can be understood as denoting a role distinct from that of the Karta.
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
CIVIL APPELLATE JURISDICTION
CIVIL APPEAL NOS.3162-3163 OF 2010
SHREYA VIDYARTHI VERSUS ASHOK VIDYARTHI & ORS.
NEW DELHI
DECEMBER 16, 2015.
http://judis.nic.in/supremecourt/imgs1.aspx?filename=43191
Guest
(Expert) 21 July 2016
Do you have any concern with the HUF? If so, in what way concerned with the problem?
Even otherwise also, the information of the query seems to be deficient of some facts. If the bank has stated that the eldest daughter be made as karta in case of depository account, what reason the bank has quoted in support of its opinion, and if the practitioners have contradicted the advice of the banker what reason, the section of law or case law they have quoted in support of their contradictory opinon?
P. Venu
(Expert) 21 July 2016
What have been the legal provisions relied on by the tax practitioner?
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Hope your matter is resolved.
LCI expert Mr. J.K Agarwal is from your location.
If you wish you can benefit from his counsel.
Guest
(Expert) 25 November 2016
What a search of 4 months old query just to ask for whether the matter is solved? When the querist is mum on my question asked 4 months ago, that itself denotes that his academic query has already been solved.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Dhingra,
You are NOONE and NOBODY:
to declare any query as academic
to comment that the query has been resolved or not
the query is 4 months, or 4 minutes or 4 hours old.
to comment on any post of any expert
the search is 4 months old or not
You have not made a single attempt to solve the query and have not made a single contribution in the thread.
It is entirely my decision to address any query in a manner as deemed fit by me.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Dear LCI author @ Bharati Agarwal,
Hope your matter is resolved.
I have read your PM.
Guest
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
First of all, I did not address my observation to you in person.
Secondly, your comment, "You are NOONE and NOBODY: ...... to declare any query as academic," is quite surprising, as if you expect me to take your permission to give my observation, or compulsorily agree with your opinion, whether the query is real one or of academic nature.
By the way, what prompted you with what object to ask the author if matter resolved that too after specifically searching for the more than four months old query?
In fact, your problem is that you expect others also to unduly believe what you believe personally!
Guest
(Expert) 25 November 2016
By the way, what you will do if her matter is not resolved, except severally repeated old fashioned general advice to meet some very able counsel specializing in ......... (corporate matters) of her own city to get further advice?
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Author,
Please inform whether this old query has been resolved?
Please revert if any further question on the query exist.
Guest
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Ms. Bharti,
Must inform for the satisfaction of Shri Doab, whether your matter is resolved or not, as he seems to be worried quite a lot.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
You have posted in your 4th post from down;
"What a search of 4 months old query just to ask for whether the matter is solved?"
It is crystal clear that your post is addressed to me.
By your own imagination in your 3rd post from down you have posted that:
"Mr. Doab,
First of all, I did not address my observation to you in person."
It is crystal clear that your post is addressed to me.
Hence my suitable post and it stands.
You are NOONE and NOBODY to ask me or anyone what prompts us to post..............or anyone is satisfied or not.
You don't want to post in a thread that is 4 minutes/or hours/or days/or months, then you don't post.
NOONE needs any signal from your to post, or not.
Guest
(Expert) 25 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
Not at all addressed to you. Rather, I simply excpressed my surprise through my observation, which was in general that was not addressed to any one. Anyway, your habit to misinterpret anything for any purpose is quite unimaginable.
Whereas, before giving response addressing me, you should have remembered, "You are NOONE and NOBODY" to expect me to unduly believe what you believe personally, instead of telling me to be noone or nobody.
Do you believe, and if so, for what reason you believe that I should have asked for your special permission to post anything in any thread or to express my surprise on having seem something unusual.
Further, you have also not clarified, what was your object and justification to ask the author, after four months of your posting, specifically on the thread, while you could well have asked from him through PM also in reply to his PM, as you have stated, "I have read your PM"?
Still further, you have stated, "NOONE needs any signal from your to post, or not." The question arises, are you the leader of all the members of the LCI, may be the querists or the experts, when you have stated "NOONE NEEDS" on behalf of all of the members?
Don't you sometimes feel that you have the dire need to consult some psychiatrist for your abnormally strange behaviour?
Bharati Agarwal
(Querist) 25 November 2016
Respected Experts ! I am sorry that one of my query became reason of some discontent among you. Respected Sirs, I am happy that all of you have taken time to put forward your views on my query. I have pleasure to in form you that my query has found a resoanble answer only day before. Earlier we were able to change the Karta (choosen out of the surviving coparceners) in case of Bank Accounts but in case of Depository Account, the same rule was not applicable and both NSDL and CDSL required succession certificate of the deceased/probate order/decree of a court/a registerd family partition,settlement deed to transfer the shares from HUF account to another account, and I was proceeding accordingly and was to execute a Registered Family Settlement Deed among the surviving legal heirs of the deceased karta, but suddenly the DP has informed that this requirement is done away and now we can continue to operate the same DP account in the manner that of a simple Bank Account with changed karta as signatory with submitting an Affidavit on rs 500/- Stam Paper as per the Format being provided by them in addition to certain declarations, death certificate etc which leads to save enormous savings of stamp duty, registration cost, legal cost etc. Better late tha never., the query was resolved from your point of view and was under execution and with sudden change in system by NSDL/CDSL it seem that the query and issue shall stand resolved shortly.
I am really benefitted from this forum and counsel of the experts who make me feel as an indepandent third party saviour(but opaque ), so sir, please bring tranquility among all of us and continue to meet on this wall as usual. Good Night. Thanks a lot.....
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal,
I am happy to note that you are befitted from the posts at LCI and your matter is resolved.
You are welcome to post your queries at LCI anytime again.
You may go thru the following threads and you and reeaders can determine that aged and old person P.S.Dhingra has been abusing and posting erroneous advises for querists and is habitual of doing it not only in the thread initiated by you:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Problem-with-real-estate-builder-622761.asp
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
WE have helped you time and again and in many threads helped you to realize and admit your abuse and erroneous advice's and you should have generously admitted that it is you and no one else who needs treatment from a psychiatrist and you must have felt the need of admission in asylum.
Your habit of initiating unwarranted tussle, disputes, abuse with authors and fellow experts has been a naked truth that you are avoiding to admit.
Since you do not want to shun and give up your abusive conduct you have the only option to start a portal with your own money and render FREE legal advise that you claim.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal,
In your queries
"registerd family partition"................and "Registered Family Agreement" came up.
The SEBI,agent etc were the ones to respond to it.
They have responded in your case and you have saved huge amount of money.
Likewise in other thread mentioned above:
The querist/author like you has posted;
"came to know today itself that SEBI vide its circular no.
SEBI/HO/MIRSD3/CIR/P/2016/0000000085 DATED September 15 , 2016 has changed its guidelines according to law of land i.e now without Probate of Will, only on the basis of Will, securities can be transmitted "
She has been able to achieve success and save huge amount of money with support rendered to her in thread initiated by her and judgments/citations quoted to her , at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp
Both of you seem to be at same location and can interact and gain from each other also.
LCI expert Mr. J.K Agarwal is from your location.
If you wish you can benefit from his counsel, in future.
Guest
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
Your post reveals as if you can't desist from bluffing the readers, when you say, "WE have helped you time and again and in many threads helped you to realize and admit your abuse and erroneous advice's and you should have generously admitted that it is you and no one else who needs treatment from a psychiatrist and you must have felt the need of admission in asylum."
By the way, who are "WE", yourself only, whereas none else has come to your rescue in support of your false claims in several threads?
You can give merely false statements or repeat "NOONE and NOBODY" "NOW LEAVE" openly demonstrating your irritation and frustration in several threads, instead of any proof.
When even as a language editor, you have absolutely failed to interpret the sense of my post, what type of legal help anyone can expect from you.
Even in this very case, you have pretended that the author has been benefited only with your vague advice and as if "She has been able to achieve success and SAVE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY with support rendered to her in thread initiated by her and judgments/citations quoted to her , at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp"
YOUR BLUFF HAS COME TO THE OPEN EVEN FROM THIS VERY THREAD, WHEN YOU ADDRESSED, "Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal" AND STATED THAT "SHE HAS SAVED HUGE MONEY AFTER REFERRING YOUR THREAD, "http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp," WHILE YOU NEVER REFERRED THE THREAD TO HER, WHICH ANYBODY CAN VERY WELL OBSERVE FROM THE WHOLE OF THE THREAD.
IT ALSO PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH TO MISLEAD THE AUTHORS OF THE THREAD AND OTHER READERS.
Bharati Agarwal
(Querist) 26 November 2016
Respected Experts,
As stated I have been asked by the Depository Service tthat they would continue to have the same account as erlier with karta changed and we need to submit an indemnity with some other documents which are in our possession but we shall not need a registered will/registered family settlement/court decree/succession/probate alike as asked earlier.After reading wall today I realised that this position is the result of SEBI Circular dated 15Sept2016.
Now I am in process of submitting the required documents and hope that the account shall be operational with new karta.
So we all can now assume that the Issue is going to be settled barring any exception.
I again put on record my appreciation for one and all from LCI wall and sincerely request every one with folded hands to close this issue and do not keep any bitter feeling towards any one.I respect you all and shall contiune to do so.
Smile and Happiness is very scare nowadays.Please make your readers smile and also keep smiling yourseves also.
Regards !
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal,
You are welcome.
WE are happy to note that you are able to save a lot of money that otherwise you would have spent as posted by you in your posts.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal,
The stated SEBI circular is posted in the thread mentioned above.
The author Ms. Madhu Mittal has shared in the thread that after posting the judgments provided to her in the thread the agent,company ha acted and SEBI has incorporated for relief to many other citizens.
In the above mentioned thread also this intolerable aged person P.S.Dinhgra has not contributed anything and has only littered his trademark nuisance. His post show that he does not know even basics and he is a pretender.
In your thread (this one) this intolerable aged person P.S.Dinhgra has not contributed anything and has only littered his trademark nuisance.
In other thread mentioned above he has abused the querist/author and then lied and then his lies were made open.
He is the sole and lone person at LCI that does not have basic curtsy and manners to post his regret,sorry,apology and has mellowed down with age and time.
You may visit his profile and go thru all threads and determine your own opinion.
He is advertising here at LCI and asking authors/querist openly to call him, fix appointment and pay his consultation fees.
He has been asked,prohibited, cautioned to give up his trademark habit of abuse, provocations,instigation, but he has not shown any sign so far.
IN this thread also he is doing nothing but littering nuisance.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra,
It has been known to you and pointed out to you in endless number of threads that you have been abusing authors/querist, provoking, instigating everyone and littering your trademark abuse and nuisance in threads at LCI.
You have abused and then you lied and then your lies were brought out in the threads and your memory has been refreshed endless number of times by querist/authors/experts.
It is but natural that the shame that has been taming you has unnerved you and addled your wits.
Had it anyone else other than you (P.S.Dhingra) then he/she must have reformed. IT is you only that has been without any feeling of remorse and shame littering your trademark abuse, nuisance, and posting your sickening comments.
The readers of this thread will also find out.
The admin of LCI also blocked your ID although you have posted flimsy reasons.
The experts including me came to rescue you in endless number of threads since you had been misbehaving in threads.
I have always stood firmly with all experts in all decisions.
You have the habit of copying and posting the Personnel Messages and emails received by you, in open threads and hence no one is safe in communicating with you.
You are a risk.
Your assumptions and presumptions are your own bundle of lies that have come out in the open.
You had the option of ending your own torment by shedding your habit of abuse, nuisance, lies, and to end your torment.
You are at liberty to post the names of all experts that you claim as to be supporting your abuse.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra,
Since you do not want to shun and give up your abusive conduct you have the only option to start a portal with your own money and render FREE legal advise that you claim.
NOW LEAVE!
Guest
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
You are welcome with your expression of irritation and frustration here also, as shown time and again through various threads.
Your four posts in continuation, along with repetation of the words, "NOW LEAVE," very clearly reveal your extreme nature of irritation and frustration in order to justify your bluffs.
In fact, your problem is that you try to make false allegations through your posts, but accidentally you expose yourself through your own false pretensions made in each and every of such posts.
About your vague advice, "you have the only option to start a portal with your own money," is quite unwarranted. Why me, why not you start, as only you have the problem from my posts, when you get exposed when pointed out about your high level bluffing claims made through your posts. That way, as you admitted that I am intolerable for you, on one hand you will get rid of me and on the other your bluffs won't get highlighted by me, as I won't try to land at your portal even by mistake. You will be the king of your own portal to bluff anybody at your pleasure.
BEST OF LUCK!
So, when you are starting your own portal?
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra,
You have abused and then you tried to escape by posting that you did not abuse and then your bluff and your lies in above mentioned threads have been caught and exposed.
Rest all your repeated posts in all threads are your futile attempts to divert attention since you are sole and lone person pretending to be an expert at LCI.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 26 November 2016
Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra,
Now let us handle your latest threats!
You have posted that:
"whereas none else has come to your rescue in support of your false claims in several threads"
Rescue from whom?
You have not posted the names.
It is you ;Who has been abusing querist/authors and attacking fellow experts with your sickening and stenching post.
You have not been posting anything that can be called a contribution!
In this thread also other than your trademark sarcastic comments for querist, you have posted nothing.
I am satisfied with my contribution in the thread with citations,references.
You have shown your allergy to illustration with citations in this thread also.
If the querist/author wants to consult a counsel then author shall decide.
The sensible querist/authors that have read your posts are most likely to stay away from you.
I have not abused the author/querist so I am qualified to stay at LCI.
You have abusing the querist/authors, misbehaving, posting sarcastic comments, attacking fellow experts, so it is you alone that is to leave.
Your ID has been blocked by admin of LCI and you have already tasted the flavors of corporate action, and abuse by you is reported so you are to leave, and non one else.
NOW LEAVE.
"Mr. Doab,
Your post reveals as if you can't desist from bluffing the readers, when you say, "WE have helped you time and again and in many threads helped you to realize and admit your abuse and erroneous advice's and you should have generously admitted that it is you and no one else who needs treatment from a psychiatrist and you must have felt the need of admission in asylum."
By the way, who are "WE", yourself only, whereas none else has come to your rescue in support of your false claims in several threads?
You can give merely false statements or repeat "NOONE and NOBODY" "NOW LEAVE" openly demonstrating your irritation and frustration in several threads, instead of any proof.
When even as a language editor, you have absolutely failed to interpret the sense of my post, what type of legal help anyone can expect from you.
Even in this very case, you have pretended that the author has been benefited only with your vague advice and as if "She has been able to achieve success and SAVE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY with support rendered to her in thread initiated by her and judgments/citations quoted to her , at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp"
YOUR BLUFF HAS COME TO THE OPEN EVEN FROM THIS VERY THREAD, WHEN YOU ADDRESSED, "Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal" AND STATED THAT "SHE HAS SAVED HUGE MONEY AFTER REFERRING YOUR THREAD, "http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp," WHILE YOU NEVER REFERRED THE THREAD TO HER, WHICH ANYBODY CAN VERY WELL OBSERVE FROM THE WHOLE OF THE THREAD.
IT ALSO PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH TO MISLEAD THE AUTHORS OF THE THREAD AND OTHER READERS.
"
"Do you have any concern with the HUF? If so, in what way concerned with the problem?
'
Guest
(Expert) 27 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
Your open lie is demonstrated in this thread only, where you have posted, "YOUR ID HAS BEEN BLOCKED BY ADMIN of LCI."
SEE YOURSELF, I AM REPLYING YOUR POST. Had it been blocked, I would not have been able to refute your false statement.
It has proved well that you can't avoid your habit of bluffing one and all.
You have stated, "Rescue from whom? ...... You have not posted the names." Do you really unable to understand the meaning of the word "NONE" when you reproduced the part of my own statement, "whereas none else has come to your rescue in support of your false claims in several threads"?
I can very well understand your utter frustration and irritation.
When you believe that my ID has been blocked, why you time and again sing the song of "NOW LEAVE" in each and every thread? A matter of commonsense, probably you can't understand, if my ID is blocked, you would not have found the need to repeat again and again, "NOW LEAVE."
I am also thankful to you that demonstrating your utter frustration and irritation, you have even reproduced my own statement, i.e., "YOUR BLUFF HAS COME TO THE OPEN EVEN FROM THIS VERY THREAD, WHEN YOU ADDRESSED, "Dear LCI Author @ Bharati Agarwal" AND STATED THAT "SHE HAS SAVED HUGE MONEY AFTER REFERRING YOUR THREAD, "http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Transmission-of-shares-without-probate-of-will--601546.asp," WHILE YOU NEVER REFERRED THE THREAD TO HER, WHICH ANYBODY CAN VERY WELL OBSERVE FROM THE WHOLE OF THE THREAD."
"IT ALSO PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH TO MISLEAD THE AUTHORS OF THE THREAD AND OTHER READERS."
In other words, you admit that your brain has gone totally out of your control.
It is not understood, in what context you have reproduced my own question to the author, "Do you have any concern with the HUF? If so, in what way concerned with the problem?"
With the latest post you have really demonstrated the miserable state of your mind! MAY GOD HELP YOU!
Guest
(Expert) 27 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
You can very well see my last post that repudiates your false claim that my ID has been blocked by the Admin of the LCI.
SO, YOUR BLUFF HAS BECOME QUITE OPEN NOW.
why can't you avoid the habit of bluffing one and all, that too openly through various threads?
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 27 November 2016
Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra,
On one hand you have been posting with another ID created by you to remain at LCI, where you loiter to seek clients and consultation fee and advertise and openly ask readers to send contact you to seek appointment and then consult by applying consultation fee.............
You were put in forced hibernation since your ID was blocked.
You are at liberty to post thru your another ID thru which you have been posting.
On the other hand you have been littering nuisance endlessly in Forum/Experts sections and initiating your cockfights, with one and all be it querist/authors, members, experts.................endlessly.........
Your memory has been refreshed in many threads, still you are feigning and making frustrated attempts to divert attention.
What else is left to be done by you?
The conclusion is that the cockfights and tussles, abuse, nuisance, lies that you start with everyone in all thread is the only thing you know and do and is your elixir and liquor in this mortal world and you will not give it up till you are in this mortal world.
The result is that: you and your cockfights and tussles, abuse, nuisance, lies will not be tolerated and you will stop at once it at LCI, with me and everyone else be it querist/authors/members/experts.
You can continue it at your private fiefdom that is your residence and with your personal relatives and family, if they permit it by any special permission that you might have applied for by your application.
Here your applications for any charitable permission to attack anyone with your trademark sarcastic, unwarranted comments has been rejected.
NOW LEAVE.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 27 November 2016
Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra,
You have been attacking me with your trademark attacks in endless posts in 2nd post after 1st post by querist/author and provoking and littering nuisance despite the fact that you have been asked, cautioned, prohibited,prevented.........................
You have been asked,instructed to not to post any comment endless number of times.
So far good sense has not prevailed upon you...................
You have threatened me as already pointed above and are cooking stories from your cracked and crooked mind.
You are out of your mind that is another reason for you to confine your self in your private fiefdom i.e your solitary confinement in your private residence.
Your frustrations and failures and abuse and nuisance have been brought out for your own good so that you mend.
However you are trying to improve that you are inclined and cut to mend your ways and negativity.
LCI has been and will be a good forum without YOU.
NOW LEAVE.
Guest
(Expert) 27 November 2016
Mr. Doab,
You are welcome again with expression of your frustration and irritation, as is openly demonstrated from both of your latest posts.
I can very well judge the deplorable and woeful state of your mind, when you fail to find justification for your bluffs pointed out by me.
How you can claim that my memory has been refreshed by you, when your own memory has clogged due to your repeated bluffs and you can't remember how many times you tried to bluff the readers.
In all those threads you have been challenged either to prove yourself as correct, or to prove me wrong. Contrarily, you never did that and every time you came with new evasive and bluffing statements without touching those points to prove yourself as correct or to prove me wrong.
Even now, you have stated, "where you loiter to seek clients and consultation fee and advertise and openly ask readers to send contact you to seek appointment and then consult by applying consultation fee." CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE SOME OF MY POSTS WHERE I HAVE ASKED YOU OR THE READERS TO SEND THEIR CONTACTS, OR POSTED AN AD TO SEEK CLIENTS OR ASKED YOU TO PAY ME CONSULTANCY FEE? For example, you referred to me and discussed a case through several of your PMs between 17.10.2011 to 29.02.2012, concerning a "Regional Manager, based in Punjab was terminated on flimsy grounds without any charge sheet." CAN YOU PLEASE STATE, IF I CHARGED EVEN A SINGLE PENNY FOR YOUR CONSULTATION FROM ME FOR WASTING A LOT OF MY PRECIOUS TIME? this is one of the cases to revive your own memory, if you can remember.
About your statement, "So far good sense has not prevailed upon you ................" THAT VERY WELL APPLIES ON YOU ONLY, as on one hand you repeatedly cry, "NOW LEAVE" and on the other hand you don't allow me to leave by posting your false statement. In fact, you compel me to reply your bluffs.
It seems, you have lost even your common sense, as to how you can expect me to leave when you address your post to me and expect me to counter that?
Now you have falsely alleged, "You have threatened me." CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THREAT I HAVE GIVEN TO YOU? In nutshell, you can't leave your habit to bluff the readers, as like a poser, a pretender, a language editor, a bluff master, even a maska-man also.
About your statement, "LCI has been and will be a good forum without YOU," why you falsely pretend on behalf of all the querists, readers and the experts, as if you happen to be ring leader of all of them? WHY CAN'T YOU RESTRICT YOURSELF WITHIN YOU ONLY, NOT LIKE ALL IN ONE AT THE LCI? If I am intolerable for you, as you abused, "Intolerable and abuser P.S.Dhingra," that does not mean that I am intolerable to the whole lot of readers, including the experts, if intolerable to you in particular.
IN FACT, YOU SEEM TO HAVE LOST ALL SENSES, AS YOU DON'T THINK BEFORE WRITING, WHAT ACTUALLY YOU ARE POSTING.
Anyway, you are free to make fun of yourself for my as well as readers amusement.
I can only wish you, best of luck.
