Dear sir.
plz finf attched file of compnay WRITTEN ARGUMENTS in10 th pags
murali (srm) 25 April 2012
Dear sir.
plz finf attched file of compnay WRITTEN ARGUMENTS in10 th pags
murali (srm) 25 April 2012
Sir,
I am sending you scan copy of, Ex party company return orgument which is submitted to labour
court on 24th april,12. Ex party lawyer had an orgument with my lawyer yesterday regarding few points,
which I am sending you to clarify me weather I am in soup or the ex party lawyer orgument is waste. My
lawyer is so confident saying that those points are useless, but I am not able to understand the facts in
the orgument. So I am writing this to get clarifyed about the points as follows:
1. He says my degisnation is Sr. Relationship Manager, which I am not eligible to go to labour
court becouse I am a manager leavel degisnated employee.
2. He says company has right to terminate you as I am in manager post. And that too I have not
returned the incentive amout back. He says company need not follow any legal procedures in
terminating me.
3. He Is asking about the srinivas raju sattlement. And why I have not mentioned in labour court.
4. He says I cannot file in labour court.
Sir I request you to go throw the details and let me know where I stand in the case. I would like to
let you know that my orgument about the abow points is:
1. In office all designations are same relationship manager including seniors and one branch head
know as Sr.vice president who sits in same office. I even proved this degisnation system infront
of labour commisioner in the early orguments.
2. On 23rd march,11 incentive amount 135000/- has been credited to my account mentioning
incentive – indiabulls, which I am elizible after deducting TDS. And also TDS certificate has
been issued to me by the company. Know the ex party lawyer says company amout has not
been returned so they have right to terminate me. But my orgument says, it is not company
amout , It is my incentive amount, which was paid to me after deducting TDS. And the same is
accepted by the accounts department in head office. I would like to bring to your notice that,
my senoir officer MR. Himanshu Kamdar(EVP) sitting in Kolkata, mailed me on 4 th april,11 TO
RETURN BACK THE INCENTIVE AMOUT, SAYING I AM NOT ELIZIBLE. AND ALSO TOLD ME I WILL
BE TERMINATED IF I WONT ACCEPT AND RETUN BACK THE AMOUNT.
3. Coming to srinivas raju sattlement, my orgument is, it is not related to this case, becouse the
sattlement is done as a personal fianancial transaction between us. It is purely a personal
fianancial issue, which is happened after my termination. So how can it be a related issue to my
case.
4. This vizag branch is register in ap shops and labour act. That is the reson I filed in labour court,
as I am elizible under section 48.
Hope you are clear and any doubts pls let me know sir.
Regards
Muralimohan.
vizag
murali (srm) 30 April 2012
Dear sire..
Date. On 23rd march,11 incentive amount 135000/- has been credited to my account mentioning
incentive – indiabulls,(Clearly show in my bank account statement) which I am elizible after deducting TDS. And also TDS certificate has been issued to me by the company. Know the ex party lawyer says company amout has not been returned so they have right to terminate me.
But my orgument says, it is not company amout , It is my incentive amount, which was paid to me after deducting TDS. And the same is accepted by the accounts department in head office. I would like to bring to your notice that,
my senoir officer MR. Himanshu Kamdar(EVP) sitting in Kolkata, mailed me on 4 th april,11 TO
RETURN BACK THE INCENTIVE AMOUT, SAYING I AM NOT ELIZIBLE. AND ALSO TOLD ME I WILL
BE TERMINATED IF I WONT ACCEPT AND RETUN BACK THE AMOUNT.
plz give me justice of law..
Kumar Doab (FIN) 30 April 2012
You have posted that :
--"And the same is accepted by the accounts department in head office."
You may produce this acceptance to the labor court.
-"And also TDS certificate has been issued to me by the company."
You may produce this certificate to the labor court.
If you have incentive circular or even past calculation of incentive which is not disputed by the company, and your performance record, you may prepare an incentive calculation sheet and produce it to the labor court, and establish that you were eligible and right amount of incentive was disbursed to you.
murali (srm) 10 May 2012
DEAR SIR
my labur court case complteed in apr24 th. labour commsinor is case reserved for judgmnet . still there is no judgmnet.
i go to so many times in labour court meet a commisonar. he say judgment reddy time is 1 month any above.
Today i go to labour court .. commionar saying is very hardly very cruly.
i understand compnay is buying a commisonar. to day he asking another point rasied.
WRONG PAYMENT ( Compnay credted in my bank account with wrong payment) so compnay asking retern back to amount. we are not return this ammount so compnay any time terminate me. this is supermcourt dession.
sir plz claryfy me this issue.
Kumar Doab (FIN) 10 May 2012
Your must have provided incentive circular or even past calculation of incentive which is not disputed by the company, and your performance record, incentive calculation sheet as per your clculation to your lawyer/court and it should establish that you were eligible and right amount of incentive was disbursed to you.
If the copy of the order is received you may discuss it with your lawyer.
murali (srm) 11 June 2012
Dear sir
westreday i receve a order copy of Apse act 1988..given by labour commissioner..
In the result, " the termination orders issued by the o.ps are set aside.And the o.ps are herewith directd to reinstate the Applicant with immediate effect with continuity of service,within 30 days from the date of receipt of this order. with regard to back wages the applicant is not entitled to any back wagesas the applicant neithermentiones in his appeal not produced any evidence in the proceedings that he is not gainfullyemployes anywhere after his termination by the o.ps . No order as to costs,."
sir plz give me suggistion of regarding the backwages. i dont understand me . My lawyer told me that commisoner may be bribed by the compnay . thats way he gave this type of oreder ..giveme complant agianest govermnrt immedtly.
regrds
muralimohan
Kumar Doab (FIN) 11 June 2012
Kindly show the judgement to an experienced and competent labor consultant/service lawyer and proceed.
You may attach the copy of judgement.
Kumar Doab (FIN) 11 June 2012
It is mentioned in the attachment" written arguements" 763408314_acl_k.murali_mohan.doc
For these reasons the appellant prays that the Honourable Authority may be pleased to pass an order in his favour and against the respondents:
a) To set aside the termination order
b) For reinstatement with back wages and continuity of service.
You may discuss the judgement with a competent and experienced service lawyer/Labor Consultant and proceed.
Kumar Doab (FIN) 13 June 2012
You have paryed for reinstatement with back wages and continuity of service.
You have been reinstated.
Now you may approach a seasoned,competent and experienced service lawyer/Labor Consultant to proceed further.Your lawyer shall arrange to submit the relevant citations,judhements,arguements.
You must follow up with your lawyer and provide inputs.
You may find reading the following and attachments useful.
---------------BACK WAGES by RPS Teji
“If the workman wants to claim back wages, it is for him
to assert that he has remained unemployed after his
termination therefore initial burden is upon him. The
moment he makes an assertion to this effect, burden of
proof would shift to the management as workman
cannot give any proof in the negative in support of his
assertion. However, if no such averment is made that
the workman remained unemployed after his dismissal,
it cannot be said still the management has to prove that
he was gainfully employed.”
“ We have no hesitation to say that the workmen cannot
be heard to argue that irrespective of any plea of
unemployment during such interregnum period having
been raised the workmen is entitled to back wages as a
matter of course.”
“Circumstances under which the back wages can be granted
The question of entitlement of backwages would depend on the
facts and circumstances of each case. The Court cannot be oblivious to
the fact that an employee whose services were terminated wrongly, has
not only to fight for his survival by getting such odd jobs as he can, but
has also to fight a battle for getting himself reinstated in service. Also, no
Court can be oblivious to the grim reality of unemployment pervading in
all stratus of the society. Therefore, in such a situation, it would be
unjust to insist upon a technical requirement of pleading and proof of
absence of gainful employment by an employee who is wrongfully
dismissed.”
“Further in
the case of M.P. State Electricity Board Vs. Jerina Bee (2003) LLR
848 SC, it was held that when termination of workman is set-aside the
award of back wages is not a natural consequence.”
“Conclusion: Though many a jurist may suggest that there should be a
clear spelling out of the law by the Legislature on the aspect of grant of
back wages by Industrial Adjudicative fora, the author is of the humble
opinion that the judicial pronouncements by the Hon'ble Supreme Court
and various High Court have been taking care of the circumstances to
prevent any injustice to any of the parties as could be seen from the
latest judgment of Hon'ble Supreme Court where granting of 50% of the
back wages have been reduced to 25 % in the case of Executive
Engineer, Public Health Division Vs Kamlesh reported as 2008-II-LLJ-
826(SC)”
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SUPREME COURT OF INDIA |
SUPREME COURT OF INDIA |
--------------The_Honourable_Mr.Justice_..._vs_The_Assistant_Commissioner_Of_..._on_8_June,_2010
19. As held by the Supreme Court that only in the case of such a pleading the question of burden of proof will
be shifted to the employee to disprove that he was not employed anywhere. For a stray sentence in the cross
examination which in Tamil was susceptible for different meaning viz., employed in the post without
responsibility or employed in honorary capacity as the case may be, no advantage can be taken by the
petitioner Management. The issue relating to gainful employment has to be
murali (srm) 21 June 2012
Dear sir
I am attached the judgmentcopy file..