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IrBM(Marriage amendment Bill For HMA and SMA) FACTS and SOLUTIONS

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fighting back (exec)     28 August 2013

@sufferer........very exhaustive and good research...keeep up the god work, just wanted to know, if a property is held jointly (a flat) bought on loan, emi is still being paid, and i wish to transfer my share to my co borrower (my brother) how can i do a gift deed?

as the flat is technically owned by the bank (as loan is going on)

is such senario, how do i gift deed my share to him? please advice the easiest and cheapest route.

what i considered was to transfer the entire loan to a new bank,  would this be ok?

pls advice. thanks

D Seikhar G (self)     28 August 2013

Again a gr8 job done Mr.Sufferer...You are simply amazing.Plz post the cheapest way to transfer own's property.Thanks in Advance.


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How to transfer your property in easiest way

 

When it comes to transferring property, a sales deed may not always fit the bill, especially if you want to pass it on to relatives. In such cases, instruments like a gift deed or relinquishment deed can come to your rescue. However, blindly choosing either can lead to problems.

"You must understand the purpose of each document before getting it drafted. Know the benefits as well as drawbacks of each," says Vaibhav Sankla, director, H&R Block. "These documents are designed to play a specific role in the transfer of property and, hence, it is important to consult a lawyer," he adds.

 

Gift deed

 

This document allows you to gift your assets or transfer ownership without any exchange of money. To gift immovable property, you just have to draft the document on a stamp paper, have it attested by two witnesses and register it. Registering a gift deed with the sub-registrar of assurances is mandatory as per Section 17 of the Registration Act, 1908, failing which the transfer will be invalid. Besides, such a transfer is irrevocable. Once the property is gifted, it belongs to the beneficiary and you cannot reverse the transfer or even ask for monetary compensation.

 

However, if you want to gift movable property like jewellery, registration is not compulsory. At the same time, a mere entry in an account book is not sufficient to establish a transfer. Apart from physically handing over the property, you need to back it with a gift deed. The process is slightly different if you are gifting company shares. You will have to fill out the share transfer form and submit it to the company or registrar, and the transfer agent of the firm. Once again, get a gift deed drawn and executed to complete the transfer, but the document need not be registered.

 

Advantages:

The biggest benefit is that there is no tax implication if you are gifting property to certain relatives (see box). However, you still have to pay stamp duty, which can vary from 1-8% for immovable property, depending on the state in which the transfer takes place. If you are gifting property to a non-relative, the stamp duty would be higher at 5-11%. You have to pay this duty even in the case of movable property. Expect to shell out 2-8% in case of relatives, and 3-8% for non-relatives. For physical shares, the stamp duty is 0.25%, but if these are in the demat form, you don't have to pay.



 

Limitations:

Though a gift deed cannot be revoked, it can be challenged in court, coe rcion and fraud being the most common grou nds. So, if you have been tricked into gifting property, you can take the matter to court and have the transfer reversed. It can also be challenged on the grounds that the donor was not of sound mind or a minor. "You can never have a challenge-free gift deed, but consult a lawyer while drafting it so that the chances of it being challenged are minimum," says Aakanksha Joshi, senior associate, Economic Laws Practice. Also, you cannot gift a property that's held jointly.

 

Relinquishment deed:

 

This document is quite different from a gift deed, though the legal implications are the same. You can use this instrument if you want to transfer your rights in a particular property to another co-owner. Such a transfer is also irrevocable even if it is without any exchange of money. As with all documents related to the transfer of immovable property, a relinquishment deed needs to be signed by both parties and registered.

The stamp duty is similar to that for a gift deed. However there is no discount for relatives, nor are there any tax benefits. Also, both stamp duty and tax will be applicable only on the portion of the property that you relinquish, not on its total value. You can also use this deed to transfer movable property without registration, but it is typically used for immovable property.

 

 

Advantages:

It allows seamless transfer of your share in a jointly-held property. "This document is most commonly used when a person dies without leaving behind a will and all siblings end up inheriting the property," explains Joshi. Unlike a gift deed, you can draw the relinquishment deed for monetary consideration.

 

Limitations:

There are no tax benefits, for as per the tax laws, the term 'transfer' includes relinquishment, not gift. Hence, when you are relinquishing property for monetary consideration, it will result in capital gains for the transferor. "If the consideration is less than the stamp duty value of the property, the difference between the stamp duty and the consideration will be taxed in the hands of the buyer," says Sankla. If you relinquish it without any consideration, the stamp duty value of the property will be its sales price.

 

Courstsey: economictimes.indiatimes.com

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HANDING OVER YOUR WEALTH BATON & WRITTING A WILL? HERE ARE TIPS....


In the absence of a will, your property gets distributed equally among your heirs according to the succession laws. The law wouldn't know that you wanted to leave the prized vintage car, which you had refurbished over the years after buying it from a scrap dealer, for your youngest son who was always keen to help revive the old automobile. The law also doesn't know that you wanted to leave your art collection for your daughter who has interest in paintings.

 

Would you want your prized car and art collection to be sold and the proceeds distributed among your heirs according to the succession laws and not as per your wishes? Keep the Tap Flowing Getting the property of a deceased transferred to legal heirs can be a longdrawn process.

 

When unforeseen events or hurdles delay the transfer of money and property, the family members may have to face financial challenges if the deceased was the primary breadwinner. What can you do to save your family from such hardships? Most financial instruments, including bank savings accounts, provident fund accounts and insurance policies, have the option of having a nominee. Having your spouse or other family member as the nominee will facilitate the transfer of the assets to your family without the need for a succession certificate.

 

However, a nominee is not the owner of the asset but its caretaker. The person takes the assets in his custody and then transfers it to the legal heirs of the original owner. Another option for avoiding any obstruction in the flow of money is to have co-owners for assets and financial accounts. In case of a bank account, you can open an account along with a family member which allows either of the survivors to operate it. You can also make investments such as savings certificates and mutual funds jointly with a trusted member. Don't forget to keep your spouse or other family members updated about your assets and liabilities. If you don't want to disclose it right away, keep a record at a safe place and let your family know where to look for it in case of any eventuality.

 

Creating wealth is just one aspect of financial planning . It is complete only when you get to decide what happens to your accumulated wealth after you are gone. It is important to have a wealth succession plan in place. What is the best way to do it? The smoothest way is leaving behind a will to ensure that the final allocation of your wealth happens according to your wishes. Why a Will The concept of will is not alien to us, but how many of us actually make the effort to write one? Most of us don't bother based on the assumption that it is required only for those who are rolling in wealth.

 

"Succession planning is important to ensure transfer of wealth in a manner and at the time as per your decision. It ensures that wealth is transferred to people you choose, that the interests of the weak or of minors are provided for, that your wealth is distributed without family disputes and that your wealth is transferred to trusted people who will respect what you have accomplished," says Yogesh Kalwani, director and head of investment advisory, BNP Paribas Wealth Management.

 

Succession planning can be done through wills, corporate entities and trusts. A will is a testament that declares the intention of the person with regard to his wealth and property which he wants to be executed after his death. If one dies without making a will (called 'intestate' in legal parlance), his wealth is inherited by the heirs according to the inheritance laws. "If a person dies without a will, the law of succession applies based on the religion of the deceased. Since laws of marriage and succession are the most intricate among the religious laws, inheritance issues in India are very complicated. In case of more than one heir, distribution of assets can lead to family disputes," Kalwani adds. If you want your spouse to get all your properties after your death, you should still write a will mentioning this. "All the assets do not automatically get transferred to the deceased's spouse.

 

The applicable succession laws (depending on ones religion) usually provide for distribution of the assets among the natural heirs, which includes other relatives in addition to the spouse of the deceased," says Kalwani. Whether it's a son drawing a huge amount as salary or a daughter who is still pursuing her studies, both of them get a fixed portion of your wealth when the laws of succession come into play. A will offers you the option to give more to your daughter if she needs support. Even if you plan to distribute your wealth equally among all your heirs, you should write a will to that effect to avoid disputes among your family members and make the transition of wealth easier. A will does not only distribute wealth; it can also offer responsibilities.

 

Who will take care of your children in absence of you and your spouse? Should they be raised by your brother who is in a financial mess or you want your elder sister to take care of them? One can write a will appointing a trusted person as the guardian of their children when neither of the parents survives. One can also write a will for creating trusts. Inventory of Assets Consolidating the assets is the most important and difficult situation faced by the heirs after the death of an individual. If the person had been investing and buying properties without telling anything about the purchases to his heirs, the task becomes difficult. The heirs will have to scour the heaves of papers to know the deceased's legacy.

 

Tips on Making a Will Click here to Enlarge Today, when the online investment platform is becoming more popular and all our bills and receipts are delivered in our email account, it might not be possible for the survivors to know about all the investments of a deceased. As several banks are moving away from passbook-based savings accounts to Internet updates, some accounts may remain undiscovered. Indian banks have around Rs 1,350 crore in more than 1 lakh dormant accounts, of which 75% are savings accounts, the Reserve Bank of India has said in March 2011. The family may have to face a financial turmoil in the absence of a will recording the assets and liabilities, especially if the deceased was the sole breadwinner.

 

A will clears the air on financial implications of losing a family member and helps the survivors prepare better for the challenges ahead. Preparing a will also benefits the person (testator) who is writing it as he is forced to list all his investments and assets in black and white. The exercise helps him have a better understanding of his finances. What Can Be Willed? The succession of property is governed by complex laws of inheritance and religion as well as customs. The laws also differ for men and women. A Hindu (which also includes Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs) man can write a will for any property earned and owned by him.

 

Types of WILL

 

UNPRIVILEGED WILL A will written by any individual other than a soldier, a sailor or an airman engaged in a war or on an expedition, is an unprivileged will.

 

These wills need to be signed by the testator (the person making the will) in the presence of at least two witnesses who also sign the will. These wills can be revoked by writing a new will or destroying the old one.

 

PRIVILEGED WILL If a soldier, sailor or airman is in the battlefield or engaged in an expedition, he may make a privileged will. If the person writes the entire will with his own hands, it does not need to be signed by any witness. These wills can also be written by another person. Such wills can be revoked by an unprivileged will.

 

CONDITIONAL WILL An individual can attach certain conditions to his will. For example, one can write a will which will come into force if the person dies during a particular period. One can also leave a property for a person subject to fulfilment of certain condition such as marriage and attaining certain age. However, if one writes a will with illegal or immoral condition, it is not considered a valid one.

 

JOINT WILL A joint will is written by two or more persons together who dispose of their property as a team. Such wills come into effect after the death of all the testators. Any of the testators can revoke the will during his lifetime even after the death of the other.

 

MUTUAL WILL Two individuals can write a mutual will giving their wealth to the other in case of their death. For example, a couple can write a mutual will which makes the survivor the sole owner of their wealth.

 

CONCURRENT WILL Ideally, one person should leave only one will. For the sake of convenience, individuals who have properties in more than one country execute separate wills for properties in different nations.

 

SHAM WILL If a person writes a will and completes all the formalities only for some hidden objective, it is considered void. However, one needs to prove the intent. "It can be any property such as flats, jewellery, land, cars and cash; actually, any right of a valuable nature. Even obligations and liabilities can be passed on with the assets," says Girish Vanvari, executive director, KPMG India. However, a person cannot include those assets which are not legally transferable in his testament. "For an inherited property, a Hindu man can only distribute his share in the property through a will," says Saurabh Tiwari, a Delhi-based lawyer. Let's assume that a person has Rs 1 lakh in cash earned by him and Rs 5 lakh inherited from his father. He is free to give only the Rs 1 lakh at his will. If he has four legal heirs, the Rs 5 lakh will have five claimants (one being the person himself). So his share in the inherited money is only Rs 1 lakh. He can give his share in the inherited asset to anyone he wants. In contrast, a Hindu woman has absolute ownership of all earned as well as inherited property. She can write a will for her entire property.

 

The Muslim law allows an individual with heirs to distribute only one-third of his wealth through a will. The rest two-thirds of the wealth is inherited according to the religious laws. The limitation does not apply if the heirs give their consent. In case of a leased property, only the rights for the remaining period of the lease can be passed on through a will. Writing a Testament An assumption that you need to write a will only if you are sick or old is as correct as the assumption that people die only of old age. You should create a will early in your life. As a simple rule, if you need insurance, you also need a will as it will help you allocate wealth to specific people and for certain purposes.

 

"There is no right or wrong age to write a will. As soon as an individual believes that he/she has specific thoughts on how the estate is to be dealt with which is different from prevailing succession laws, they should consider a will," says Adrish Ghosh, head of wealth advisory India, Barclays Wealth. There is no fixed format for a will. You don't even need a lawyer to draft it. Just write your will on plain paper or even a leaf from your journal. However, it will be considered valid only when it has your signature or thumb impression and has signatures of two witnesses certifying that it is your will. The law does require the will to have been made when you are sane and free from any duress or undue influence. Of course, a minor cannot dispose of his property through a will.

 

"The first step of succession planning would be to start building a thought process around it. The decision on ways to implement your desires through use of wills, trusts, etc., will depend on various factors, including complexity of family situation, businesses and the stakes involved (in terms of value). It is best to get professional expertise when it comes to implementation of any succession plan as they would guide on the most suitable solution for each individual's needs," says Ghosh. "Apart from the testator and beneficiaries, a will should also have an executor who is entrusted with the responsibility of transferring the property as desired by the testator," says KPMG's Vanvari. You should appoint only a trusted person as the executor of your will after seeking his consent. If you do not seek his permission in advance, there might be no executor for your will if the person refuses to accept the responsibility after your demise. If there is no executor of a will, the court will appoint one.

 

After making your will, should you disclose it to others? "Disclosure or non-disclosure (of will and its content) is a personal issue. In many cases, the will is revealed only after death. In some cases, the beneficiaries know during the life of the testator as to what they will get. This certainly enables a smooth transition," says Vanvari. Safety Net Just writing a will is not enough; you need to make appropriate arrangements for its safekeeping and execution. Getting your will registered is one way of ensuring safety of your will while making it easy to establish it as your genuine testament. A registered will is kept in safe custody of the registrar and cannot ordinarily be tampered with, destroyed, lost or stolen. For better safety of your will, you can also keep a copy of your will with the main beneficiary or the executor. For getting a will registered, you will have to visit the registrar's office along with your witnesses.

 

A will can also be registered by the executor or any beneficiary after the testator's demise. There is no stamp duty for registration of a will. Getting your will registered is one way of ensuring its safety. It will also make it easy to prove that the will is genuine. "Registration of will is not compulsory. However, a registered will is difficult to be challenged for its authenticity. If the will is excluding some heirs from the inheritance then the reasons for such exclusion may be explained to avoid a speculative challenge," says Kaviraj Singh, managing partner, Trustman and Co., a Delhi-based law firm. However, getting a will registered means that changing or cancelling it will require a time-consuming process. Any subsequent testament will also have to be registered. As the law mandates that only a mentally sound person can write a will, you can attach a certificate from a doctor saying that you were in good health and sound mind while making the will. You can get the doctor to sign your will as a witness.

 

"Though anyone, including a beneficiary, can be witness to your will, it is advisable to get some trusted person having no interest in the will sign it," says Tiwari. If you fear that someone can challenge the genuineness of your testament, you should also affix your thumb impression on the last page. Scope for Revisions If you make a will, it is only expected that you might want to change it with changing dynamics of your family and your relationship with the beneficiaries or when you acquire new assets or dispose of some old ones. Minor changes in the will can be made through a supplementary statement, known as a codicil in legalese. It is executed in the same way as a will. If you need to make some major changes in your will, create a new one. If you haven't got your will registered, destroying the old one and writing a fresh will is all that you need to do to revise it. Make sure that the will clearly mentions the date of creation. The last will supersedes all earlier ones.

 

Succession Route Making a will is a simple process which doesn't require any help from lawyers or visits to any government office or court, but the same is not true for the beneficiaries. "When a person leaves behind a will, the beneficiaries or the executor need to get a court order, or probate, verifying the genuineness of the will," says Tiwari. In contrast, a succession certificate is required when a person dies without writing a will. There is no fixed format for a will. Write your will in your style on any piece of paper. A fixed percentage of the total value of the assets is charged as court fee for obtaining a probate, which differs from state to state.

 

Once an application for a probate is accepted, the court issues a notice in newspapers inviting objections to the inheritance claims. Once the application is disposed of, the court issues a probate. However, a probate is not required for immovable properties of Hindus, except when it is located in West Bengal, Mumbai and Chennai. What if a person inherits properties in other countries? "Both Indian as well as foreign assets can be passed on in a will. Inheritance of overseas assets is specifically permitted under the Foreign Exchange Management Act. However, you need to check the foreign exchange regulations in the overseas jurisdiction to confirm whether any specific approvals are required for the transfer. Most countries have no such restrictions," says Vanvari. "In the last few years, there have been a lot more cases of families facing disputes over transfer of wealth.

 

This is making people aware about issues that the heirs may face if there is no succession planning. An increasing number of our clients ask for succession planning, but this segment is still small," says Kalwani of BNP Paribas. So if you belong to the majority who haven't planned their succession yet, it's time to collect your thoughts and write your will. Make sure that your assets and wealth are put to best use even after you are gone. Stop procrastinating and jot down your legacy on a piece of paper. When You Fail to Make aWill... A will is like the last wishes of a man. It supersedes inheritance laws, but only for the property which is solely owned by the deceased. The rest of the assets are disposed of in accordance with the applicable succession laws.

 

A Hindu man does not hold absolute ownership of the inherited property, but jointly owns it with his legal heirs. A Muslim individual can write a will only for one-third of his total assets. If a person dies without writing a will, the assets and responsibilities of the deceased are divided among his heirs in accordance with the Hindu Succession Act, which is based on the proximity of relationship. "This Act applies to all Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and any other person who is not a Muslim Christian, Parsi or Jew," says Girish Vanvari, executive director, KPMG India. The property of a Hindu male dying without a will is given to nearest heirs who are categorised as Class I heirs in the Hindu Succession Act. These include sons, daughters, widow and mother, among others. If there is no nearest heir, the property is given to heirs in the next line, which includes father, grandfather, grandmother, uncles and aunts, among others. For example, if a man is survived by his wife and parents, his mother and spouse will share his property equally.

 

The father does not have any right in this situation. If the man has a son and a daughter as well, the property gets divided into four equal parts. "The widow succeeds to the property in equal share along with the sons and daughters of her deceased husband. If she remarries, she does not succeed to the estate of her former husband," says Kaviraj Singh, managing partner, Trustman and Co., a Delhi-based law firm. "Children born out of wedlock do not succeed to the estate of the deceased. Live-in partners also do not have a right to succeed to the estate of the partner," Singh adds. Unlike Hindu men who have only partial rights to inherited properties, women have complete ownership of all properties. They can dispose of all of their property through a will. "Property of a Hindu woman dying without a will is succeeded by her children, children of her pre-deceased children," says Singh. In case of Muslims, the succession is governed by religious inheritance laws, which are different for different sects. The shares of the heirs can vary in different circumstances. "Under Islamic laws of inheritance under, a son normally gets twice the share of a daughter," says Vanvari.

 

Courtsey:https://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/inheritance-plan-beforehand-for-smoother-transfer-of-property-will/1/14994.html

498aindian (other)     28 August 2013

@ sufferer thanks dear..a commendable job. I appreciate your work for us.May god bless you.Thanks again.

fighting back (exec)     28 August 2013

@sufferer, request you to please assist.

just wanted to know, if a property is held jointly (a flat) bought on loan, emi is still being paid, and i wish to transfer my share to my co borrower (my brother) how can i do a gift deed? as the flat is technically owned by the bank (as loan is going on) is such senario, how do i gift deed my share to him? please advice the easiest and cheapest route. what i considered was to transfer the entire loan to a new bank, would this be ok? pls advice. thanks


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Dear fighting back, As per your query, your brother is the co-owner of the said flat that is taken on loan. So,according to transfer your co-ownership solely to him needs concurrence of your brother bcz he has to take single ownership with the record of your Fianancing Bank.


The best and cheapest way to transfer your flat is via Gift deed only. As you are having blood relation with the co-owner will give you tax benefit u/sec 56. For gift deed and Transfer of property which is jointly owned is mentioned in my above post,plz do read that to make all your doubts clear.You don't have to go for fresh Bank to clear the headeache of transferring your property. Your current bank needs NOC from your brother that you are going to be Non payer of the EMI and sole and whole your brother is going to pay the loan.

Each bank has different Terms & conditions.So,I suggest you to go along with your brother to your current Financing Bank and have a discussion over this.

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fighting back (exec)     29 August 2013

thanks sufferer........appreciate your help


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Mortgages

A Mortgage is the transfer of an interest in a specific immovable property for the purpose of securing the payment of money advanced by way of loan. The transferor is called the mortgagor the transferee a mortgagee.

 


In India mortgages are categorized as six types.

1. Simple Mortgage: in this type of mortgage, the mortgagor without delivering possession of the property binds himself to pay the mortgage money and agrees that in the event he fails to pay the money the mortgaged property can be sold and proceeds of the sale can be applied for repayment of the loan.

 


2. Mortgage by Conditional Sale: in this type of mortgage the mortgagor ostensibly sells the mortgaged property on a condition that on default of payment of the mortgage money on a particular date the sale shall become final or on the condition that on the payment being made the sale shall become void and the buyer shall transfer the property to the seller.

 


3. Usufructuary Mortgage: in this the mortgagor delivers possession or binds himself to deliver possession of the mortgaged property and authorizes him to receive the rents and profits that accrue from such property till repayment of the loan.

 


4. English Mortgage: in this case the mortgagor binds himself to repay the mortgage loan on a fixed date and transfers the mortgage property to the mortgagee subject to the term that mortgagee shall retransfer the property upon payment of the loan amount.

 


5. Mortgage by Deposit of Title Deeds: in this case the mortgagor delivers the original deeds of his property as a security against the loan. In the event the mortgagor fails to repay the loan, the mortgagee sells the property.

 


6. Anomalous Mortgage: A mortgage which is not a simple mortgage, a mortgage by conditional sale, a usufructuary mortgage, an English mortgage or a mortgage by deposit of the title deeds within the meaning of Section 58 of the Transfer of Property Act is called an anomalous mortgage.

 


Rights of a Mortgagee
 

• Right to foreclosure: the mortgagee has a right to obtain a decree for sale of property once the mortgagor fails to pay the mortgage amount.
 

• Right to sue for mortgage money: a mortgagor has the right to sue for mortgage money in certain cases.
 

• Right of power of sale of mortgaged property.
 

The Transfer of Property Act provides that the mortgagee, or any person acting on his behalf, subject to the provision of the Act, has the power to sell or concur in selling the mortgaged property or any part thereof in default of payment of the mortgage money, without intervention of the Court, in the following cases and in no others, namely;
 

1. Where the mortgage is an English mortgage, and neither the mortgagor nor mortgagee is a Hindu, Mohammedan or Buddhist, or a member of any other race, sect, tribe or class from time to time specified in this behalf, by the State Government in the official Gazette;
 

2. Where a power of sale without the intervention of the Court is expressly conferred on the mortgagee by the mortgage deed, and the mortgagor is the Government;
 

3. Where a power of sale without the intervention of the court is expressly conferred on the mortgagee by mortgage deed, and the mortgaged property or any part of thereof, was on the date of the execution of the mortgage deed, situated within the towns of Kolkata, Chennai, Bombay, or in any other town or area which the State Government may by notification in the Official Gazette, specify in this behalf.
 

No such power shall be exercised unless and until:
 

a) Notice in writing requiring payment of the principal money has been served on the mortgagor, or on one of several mortgagors, and default has been made in the payment of the principal money or of part thereof, for three months after such service; or
 

b) Some interest under the mortgage amounting to at least five hundred rupees, is in arrear and unpaid for three months after becoming due.
 

4. Right to appoint a Receiver: A mortgagee who has the right to exercise a sale shall be entitled to appoint for on his behalf a receiver. The mortgagee also has the right to move a court for appointment of a receiver. A receiver appointed under the Act shall be deemed to be the agent of mortgagor and the mortgagor shall be responsible for the receivers’ acts or defaults.
 

5. Right to accession to mortgaged property: if after the date of mortgage any accession is made to the mortgaged property the mortgagee shall be entitled for accession.
 

6. Right to benefit of new lease: where the mortgage property is on lease and the mortgagor has renewed the lease the mortgagee shall be entitled to such new lease.
 

7. Right to proceeds of sale: where the mortgage property or any part there of is sold the mortgagee shall be entitled to claim payment of such sale.
 

An agreement to mortgage requires the stamp duty as an ordinary agreement in terms of Article 5 of the stamp Act.
 

A mortgage deed for which property value exceeds rupees 100 is to be registered. If it is not registered the deed can only be used as evidence the mortgage debt.


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@ author,

Great work boss.... But few questions:

1. Any property transaction after marriage  should be signed by wife as agree to sell or dispose the property. Please throw some lights on this issue as if she does not sign, she can argue in court that unknowingly property is transferred.

2. Can we transfer/relinquish after this law is passed and before divorce is started?

Problem remains same. Problem one had with 1st wife will remain after 2nd marriage also. what is the gaurantee that 2nd wife dont act like 1st one :P


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1. Any property transaction after marriage  should be signed by wife as agree to sell or dispose the property. Please throw some lights on this issue as if she does not sign, she can argue in court that unknowingly property is transferred.

 

Opinion: Who had told you such scenario.

That means for every transaction regarding financial he has to go to her wife and take written permission first.

Come on man what are you seeking here is totally dumb ,

you are the Master of your wealth your hard earned money,your self acquired money. It's your will to whomsoever you want to give or not to give the entire thing. There is no question on self acquired money and property to raise any question by her wife.

But yes if she claims under IrBM during the time of divorce and your properties are on record,she files the stay then you are in mess,but before that every thing is possible without her consent.

So,my request don't be dumb be smart and act wisely before it is too late.

 

 

2. Can we transfer/relinquish after this law is passed and before divorce is started?

 

Opinion: Yes you are very much entitle to do that. Here I will suggest go for Gift deed.


Problem remains same. Problem one had with 1st wife will remain after 2nd marriage also. what is the gaurantee that 2nd wife dont act like 1st one :P

 

Opinion: Then who told you to go for the b*tches rather than going to real beaches all over the world.

It's better to do world tour rather than doing 7 feras with these B.I.T.C.H.E.S

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Well said sufferer sir it's better to go for World tour Rather than going for 7 Fera's with b*tches.


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Originally posted by : Sufferer



1. Any property transaction after marriage  should be signed by wife as agree to sell or dispose the property. Please throw some lights on this issue as if she does not sign, she can argue in court that unknowingly property is transferred.

 

Opinion: Who had told you such scenario.


That means for every transaction regarding financial he has to go to her wife and take written permission first.


Come on man what are you seeking here is totally dumb ,


you are the Master of your wealth your hard earned money,your self acquired money. It's your will to whomsoever you want to give or not to give the entire thing. There is no question on self acquired money and property to raise any question by her wife.


But yes if she claims under IrBM during the time of divorce and your properties are on record,she files the stay then you are in mess,but before that every thing is possible without her consent.


So,my request don't be dumb be smart and act wisely before it is too late.


 

 

2. Can we transfer/relinquish after this law is passed and before divorce is started?

 

Opinion: Yes you are very much entitle to do that. Here I will suggest go for Gift deed.





Problem remains same. Problem one had with 1st wife will remain after 2nd marriage also. what is the gaurantee that 2nd wife dont act like 1st one :P

 

Opinion: Then who told you to go for the b*tches rather than going to real beaches all over the world.


It's better to do world tour rather than doing 7 feras with these B.I.T.C.H.E.S

 

Hi

Every one are in dark. As much as possible all possibilites (whether dumb or strong) must be analysed so that every one will be good.

Reason why i asked is, when HSA is introduced to give property in father's side, many females put cases on those who bought from their father without their consent. Even today many cases are running in court in the same matter.

So I had a doubt whether, it is need to be sighned by wife for property transaction. Hence I asked.

Infact i have gifted all my properties very long back. :P


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@ Arvind,

Litigation under HSA will never stop,even Indian judiciary  will get saturated after this IrBm. This IrBm is nothing but harrasment to women as she can't enjoy the accquired wealth from his husband till her age not passed out. The reason behind this is only her Husband,FIL,MIL who will not let her DIL to go so easily with half of the properties........this litigation will goes upto SC.


This amendment is nothing but illusion to destroy the marital life with the lust of properties.So,it's better to take our Instance earlier to protect our wealth before this IrBm come into pictiure.

for smarter guys there is no problem even after IrBM......

BHARATI MITRA (ES)     30 August 2013

Mr. Sufferer, can't the entire Men Fraternity unite and bring a STAY on this bill.  Though I am a lady I fully agree to whatever consequences you have mentioned about this Bill.  I dont think there is even ONE WISE MALE in the team who have worked on this bill.  Its a complete ambigious, biased bill which will really destroy the culture of India and very soon there will be a situation like CHINA where no man will marry and women will have to beg for marriage.

We need more men line you Sufferer...... wake up men so that the institution of marriage is not dissolved completely ........ bring a STAY immediately on this BILL.  When the women says we are no less than men then WHY THIS TYPE OF BILL.  I feel every case must be decided on CASE-TO-CASE BASIS.


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