Renuka Gupta ( Gender Researcher ) 11 December 2010
"NO.
This is the site "LAWYERS CLUB INDIA".. and member are learned from LAW BOOKS... AND YOUR QUESTION WAS NOT IN SYLLABUS" .
Arup (UNEMPLOYED) 12 December 2010
CORRUPT SOCIETY - THE MAIN ACCUSED
- AGREED.
Clubbing this thread for perusal;
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/In-Honor-of-Dr-B-R-Ambedkar-28143.asp
Anil Agrawal (Retired) 12 December 2010
Being corrupt is a human trait. But we refuse to accept it.
"In my opinion no society in this world is free from corruption. Only the percentage varies from place to place and from time to time."
I agree with your thoughts.
Democratic Indian (n/a) 14 December 2010
"Suppose(imagine) if Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar or Mahatma Gandhi live in india then what they feel about current indian situation?"
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar or Mahatma Gandhi did not want all powerful Central or State Governments controlling the economy and thus controlling the lives and choices of people. They were for decentralised economy starting from grassroots of villages. They were not aware that one day some people like Hitler will grab power in this country and insert Socialism, etc. etc. etc. in Constitution to grab and consolidate power like Hitler and poeple will keep on voting by closing their minds. They were not aware that one day people will become so much ignorant and desperate that without understanding implications, they will start indirectly demanding more power for the government and thus start aiding and abbetting corruption themselves. Now someone may ask how is this possible? Below is my explanation:
Rights under Article 21 are negative rights of citizens and negative obligation of State. At the same time NOTHING is preventing the state from following Directive Principles. Now we hear noises from people demanding Right to Food etc. etc. Nothing wrong with demanding, but how it is to be implemented is very disturbing. Implementation would mean providing enormous resources(enormous oppurtunity for more corruption) for the government: We can already see the Rice Scam that has taken place. Food grains are already rotting in government godowns. People are been supplied worst quality of foodgrains in PDS sytem. Bureacrats will always be happy to get more powers and resources for themselves. Following powers will be with government:
1) to purchase foodgrains on even more larger scale than ever before
2) store them
3) distribute them
Above 1) would mean enormous oppurtunity for fudging/manipulation of prices to fill the pockets of corrupt at the time of purchase. 2) would mean enough oppurtinity to say the x amount of foodgrain has been eaten by rats, x amount has got rotten and so on. 3) would mean x amount has been distributed even though it is sold or diverted. 4) add to these 3 the net legitimate expenses the State will have to take to do all these 3. Net meaning of these 4 is that people have given up their power to the State to control what foodgrains they eat, when they eat, how much they eat. This would also mean I will HAVE to take whatever quality of foodgrain is given to me by State. I will ONLY get the quota of wheat I am entitled in a week or a month. If quality is poor I cannot defer it to next month when I can expect better quality. If I do not want to eat more in summer, I want to eat more in winter, that is not possible, I will have to take it or not take it.
Some people may say then what is the alternate option?
Alternate option is government instead of doing all this 4 things should pay me the cost of foodgrains entitled for me directly to me. There is no need of so many intermediaries in between. That job of intermediaries can be done by the open market. I will have the power to decide to buy the quality and quantity of foodgrain from the open unregulated market as per my choice. If I want to eat less in summer, I will purchase less and save the money for winter season. Meaning of freedom is not about placing ones own choices in hands of the State. Meaning of freedom is to have ones own choices under ones own control. This method is already used in various countries by the way of money/coupons given as unemployment bonus etc. given by the State. People purchase the food from market as per their choices.
H.M.Patnaik (Proprietor) 20 December 2010
Great ideas galore and hold us to stop a while and think afresh before any action.
DRF agenda
a national society
of
democratic union
of
india
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Respected friends !!
Be United to defeat corrupt governance and corrupt administration.
What we will get in defeating our own members, in defeating our own family members, in defeating our own friends ?
What we will get in fighting with our own members, in fighting with our own family members, in fighting with our own friends?
Give equal respect to each other and come together so
we make
a national society
of
democratic union of india
there will be no place for
any differences based on
religion, caste, region, languange, class, colour, gender etc. and all will have equal opportunity to live with equal respect as a respected citizens
and
it will become a real democratic nation
by rule of people - rule by people –
rule for the people
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CONCEPT OF
DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FORUM
Dear Democrat Indian Citizen Friends !!
It is now more than a 60 years passed away after 26 January 1950 when the Democratic Constitution was adopted with a system of “RULE OF PEOPLE-RULE BY PEOPLE-RULE FOR PEOPLE”… But the RULE not given in the hands of people and BUREAUCRATS (both in Executive and Judiciary) and POLITICIANS (who are using it like a professional business) taken the COMMAND in their hands. The majority of people are illiterate and these diplomats (Bureaucrats & Politicians) ever try to keep them illiterate & poor so that they will be ever busy in struggle for life and never become aware of their RIGHT TO RULE. Till now every action of these diplomats is being kept far away from the people so that the people do not know what they do???
Now, the Right To Information of people is protected by the ACT existed as “RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT 2005”. But we have to exercise it properly since these diplomats will never let it be used effectively.
We are trying to establish the Branches of DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FORUM at every level in every District and every Taluka (Tahsil). We are in need of a about 10 members at every level who are active with social awareness and can spare a few hours on Sunday for making correspondence drafting with all the departments of administration. We have a complete action plan as what to do? How to do?? And when to do??? Remember that it is not only a so simple matter to write simple drafts but we should have more than equal talent of diplomacy to deal with these trained diplomats.
“STOP HOPING THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO SOMETHING FOR YOU. NO ONE DO ANYTHING FOR SOMEONE ELSE. WHY SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE ELSE ? TILL WHEN WE WILL PRETEND SLEEP WITH OPEN EYE DREAM THAT SOME DAY EVERYTHING WILL BECOME OKAY ? TILL WHEN WE OURSELVES WILL NOT DO EVERYTHING FOR OURSELVES THE DREAMS WILL NEVER COME TRUE AND THE DEMOCRACY WILL EVER REMAIN A DREAM. SO JUST GET UP RIGHT TODAY RIGHT NOW OR NEVER”
The action plan is made in such form that our lives will have no disturbance and we can also fulfill our duty part as a citizen of our democratic nation which has provided democratic rights FOR US !!!
Everyone, who believes in EQUALITY AMONG ALL THE CITIZENS OF DEMOCRATIC INDIA, may communicate with us for details.
DRF FORMULA
FOR EQUALITY AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL CITIZENS
Even illiterate citizens can also be an active member since all the written-drafts will be provided to them through email which they have to take a copy and sign it and send by post to there concerned public authorities. The reply received from public authorities may be forwarded to us for preparation of further action.
The only qualification required to be an active member of DRF is to be an Indian citizen with dedication toward our democratic constitution for democratic India where the citizens rule.
No difference on the basis of (1) Religion (2) Caste (3) Classification (4) Language (5) Area or Zone (6) Skin colour (7) Gender etc. such as Educational qualification or Rich or Poor.
AN INDIAN CITIZENSHIP IS ONLY MATTERS.
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And, THIS IS A CALL AGAINST CORRUPT SOCIETY - THE MAIN ACCUSED |
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Who is this CORRUPT SOCIETY which is against our SECULAR DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUTION and reason for all corrupt activities ???
THEY ARE;
WHO propagates for RELIGION BASED DIFFERENCE
AND
WHO propagates for CASTE BASED DIFFERENCE
AND
WHO propagates for REGIONAL DIFFERENCES
AND
WHO propagates for LANGUAGE BASED DIFFERENCES
AND
WHO propagates for CLASS BASED DIFFERENCES
AND
WHO propagates for GENDER BASED DIFFERENCES
AND
WHO propagates for any such differences which makes section in the People.
When the society will come as ONE AND TOGETHER than only we can control over the corrupt people who are in Governance and Administration and exploiting the people. Till when their well wisher supporters will be succeeded in deviding the society till than the RULE OF PEOPLE will not come true.
Please also see here;
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Increase-in-retirement-age-of-HC-judges-62-to-65-24741.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/A-SAD-JOKE-ON-ADVOCATORY-20109.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/SHOULD-ADVOCACY-BE-A-PUBLIC-SERVICE--20251.asp (I want it)
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/JUSTICE-IS-THE-PRINCIPLE-DEMOCRATIC-RIGHT--20511.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/My-open-letter-to-LCI-administration-24961.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/RTI-to-check-success-stories-of-Advocates-24246.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/CIBIL-Like-Data-of-Advocates-24227.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/SHOULD-ADVOCACY-BE-A-PUBLIC-SERVICE--20251.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/News-Headlines-against-former-CJI-30219.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Legal-quiz-Religious-base-of-SC-ST-30289.asp?1=1&offset=1
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Re-Re-Re-Our-constitution-is-Questionable-25111.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Re-Indian-languages-in-High-Courts-19599.asp?1=1&offset=1
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/26th-November-The-Constitution-Day-27634.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Congratulations-to-Nitish-Kumar-27589.asp
https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Some-features-of-Ram-rajya-27801.asp
Reference connects;
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First, your statement that; "WE THE COMMON PEOPLE CAN CREATE PRESSURE UPON THE GOVTS. ONLY." - WRONG, the common people of India ARE THE RULER OF INDIA.
Second, you statement that; IN FACT THEY ARE THE SERVENTS OF GOVERNMENTS (CENTRAL AS WELL AS THE STATE) OF INDIA. In fact, the Government of Union of India is LIKE A FIRM AND PEOPLE OF INDIA ARE MEMBERS OF BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
This is the concept, which is yet to be implemented, as it was the concept adopted by our great founder of secular democratic constitution Vishwa Vandaniya Param Pujya Babasaheb Ambedkar and DRF is committed to his this original concept of RULE OF PEOPLE - RULE BY PEOPLE - RULE FOR PEOPLE. But till when the communal forces will not be thrown out of the governance and admonistration like the Britishers were thrown out, till than this concept of DEMOCRACY - THE RULE OF PEOPLE AND EQUAL DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FOR EVERY CITIZEN will not come into existence.
Everone should make it clear in mind that neither the thousands years kingdoms of so called RAJAs/MAHARAJAs remained here nor the British Empire, before which all these so called RAJAs/MAHARAJAs surrendered and it was said that THE SUN OF BRITISH EMPIRE NEVER GO SET, that all are now became the part of History and these communal forces will also will be thrown out behind them as now the secular democratic constitution has been adopted. THE ONLY WORK REMAINED IS TO IMPLEMENT THE SAME.
DEMOCRACY ZINDABAD.
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Dear Adv. Kushan Vyas and Adv. Narsimha,
What wrong was posted by me in the following thread or what wrong you have posted dears?
Why this thread is deleted? Who is this person in LCI editing team?? Is any of his relative’s name was posted here as corruption accused???
Where is this thread gone? - “List here the names of corruption accused”
(1) Sahara Mumbai News Channel - Rsupees 23 lacks cash found on raid at the residence of Adarsh Society Scam accused P. V. Deshmuka, IAS. His name is in FIR with Ramanand Tiwari (suspended State Information Commissioner of Greater Mumbai) and his son Dr. Vikas Ramanand Tiwari, Ashok Chavan (Dismissed Chief Minister of Maharashtra) and 9 other government officers.
(2) Another news on every news channels - Dismissed Telecommunication Minister A. Raja is arrested today by CBI in 2G Spectrum scam case.
(3) Suresh Kalmadi is dismissed from the post of Chairman of CWG Organising Committee.
Friends post here news and information of accused persons in corruption cases and give a serial number in continuation viz. (4), (5), (6)… so that a list will be available here and people can identify that who are the anti-national corrupt people.
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