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Termination of service during probation

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chandan (teacher)     11 December 2011

dear sir 

i am among those 28 probationary officers who have been terminated by state bank of india.

As we come to know in the case of Palak Modi vs sbi, the sbi has moved to supreme court

what is the next going to happen, as a layman i am not able to understand.

please help me to know what can be expected from here.

Kumar Doab (FIN)     11 December 2011

Approach a competent and experienced lawyer with all the records you have and give all the relevant inputs to your lawyer. You may explore the possibility and merit of class suit.
 

chandan (cto)     22 January 2012

 

              ALL INDIA STATE BANK OFFICERS’ FEDERATION                                          (Registered under the Trade Unions Act 1926, Registration No: 727/MDS)
State Bank of Buildings, St. Mark’s Road, Bangalore – 560 001
 
CIRCULAR NO.47                                                                                                                               DATE: 18.05.2011
 
TO ALL AFFILIATES /MEMBERS:
 
PROBATIONARY OFFICER’s /TRAINEE OFFICER’s CONFIRMA TION TEST
 
         
The Executive Committee of Central Board at its meeting held on 12.05.2011, has made following changes in confirmation of PO’s /TO’s from 2009-20010, batch onwards as under:
 
i.             First confirmation test will be conducted after 18 months of probation.
 
ii.           For confirmation in JMGS 1, qualifying marks in the written test will be 50% (45% for SC, ST and PWD).
 
iii.         All candidates who secure 75% or more in the written test will qualify for Group Discussion and interview. Such candidates (not belonging to SC and ST categories) securing 75% or more in Group Discussion and interview will be confirmed in Scale – II. However, for candidates belonging to SC and ST categories, the qualifying marks in Group Discussion and Interview will be 70%.
 
              In this context, it is clarified that aggregate of marks awarded in ‘Written Test’ and ‘GD & Interview’ will not be considered. Accordingly, only those candidates who secure minimum qualifying marks in the Written Test will qualify for GD & Interview.  Thereafter, those who secure minimum qualifying marks in GD & interview may be confirmed as Scale-II officer in the Bank. The qualifying marks for ‘Written Test’ and ‘GD & Interview’ for confirmation in Scale-II are mentioned as under:
 
 
             
 
WRITTEN TEST
GD & INTERVIEW (COMBINED)
Full Marks
200
50
Candidates (not belonging to SC and ST categories)
75% i.e., 150 marks
75% i.e., 37.5 marks
Candidates belonging to SC and ST categories
75% i.e., 150 marks
70% i.e., 35 marks
 
iv.         Probation period of POs/TOs who fail in the confirmation test will be extended by six months and candidates will write the second test to be conducted after six months of first test.  Second test will be for judging their suitably for confirmation in Scale I only and even if the candidates score 75% or more marks in the written test, they will be confirmed in Scale I only.
v.           In case the candidates fail in the second test, in respect of POs their services will be terminated, whereas TOs will be reverted back to clerical cadre.
vi.         Annual increment date of the candidates, whose probation is extended, will be shifted with the extended probation period.  Further, the service rendered by the officer during extended probation period will not be counted as eligible service for seniority/next promotion. However, ignoring extended probation period for seniority will have no impact on officers’ superannuation benefits.
vii.       Further, those POs and TOs belonging to 2008-09 batch only (whose numbers are 35 and 1 respectively), who do not secure the minimum qualifying marks in the second test may be allowed to appear in the third test as per the existing policy. If such candidates fail in the third test as well, they may be confirmed as JMGS I after withdrawal of four increments, given to POs and TOs as per the existing Rules. This is being extended to them because POs and TOs of 2008-09 batches have already been advised that three attempts for confirmation will be given to them and in the event of being unsuccessful in the third test, they may be confirmed as Officer JMGs I after withdrawal of four increments, given to POs and TOs as per the Rules.
 
2.      Accordingly, Rules 5 (1) (a) and 18 (4) of State Bank India Officers’ Service Rules are amended. The affiliates/members may take note of the changed procedure in case of confirmation of PO’s/TO’s in our Bank. The official communication follows.
 
With greetings,
                                                                                                                    
 
                                                                                                                                                                    (G.D.NADAF)
GENERAL SECRETARY
 
 
 

Kumar Doab (FIN)     22 January 2012

Now what is the relevance of the circular in this case?

The case in this thread is “Bank is terminated the services based on suspicion".

Bank has declined to grant the copies under RTI.

Bank is drumming a stand that “Courts should not sit over the decision of Expert Body" and this stand of the bank has been rejected by HC and HC has ordered relief to the employee.

Now the querist should approach his HC with the order granted by HC in case of Palak Modi.

If the bank has remained absent in HC, the lawyer of the querist can take appropriate call in the matter and approach HC. The querist should proceed further under expert legal advice and as per the directions of HC in this case.

This is an interesting thread. Kindly post the latest developments.

chandan (cto)     22 January 2012

@ Kumar Doab

 

I feel with this circular bank makes its stand clear. At least candidates get relief from uncertainty. POs are  employees and it is ever be healthy for them to get the matter solved through proper officer-employees' platform instead of roaming around the corridors of court of law that extended to appex court at New-Delhi.

Kumar Doab (FIN)     22 January 2012

@Chandan

All along till date throughout the career we have always suggested that the issues whatsoever be resolved within the company, by dialogue, gentle representation, application of rapport, negotiation, goodwill, persuasion, persistence, reasoning , citing rules, policies etc, thru union, redressal mechanism.

These usually suffice. All of us who have  worked  in line management, HR, personnel, marketing, sales, training and development, brand management, IR . etc and have handled the real life situations shall agree.

However if these do not fetch any relief then other avenues may be explored, including legal recourse.

It is felt that the circular posted above in thread (iv) and other points do not cover the grievance of the employee.

The charge leveled is unfair means which the querist has denied. The termination is caused based on suspicion. The quesrist applied for copies of documents which were denied.From this thread and other posts it is implied that the bank has terminated large number of employees based on charge of suspicion.

Since there are many employees it can be believed that many of the employees might have approached the union/association or union/association might have come forward for the rescue of the employees.

Since the establishment is based pan India and the union/association is also spread pan India all employees must have heard from union/association. It is sheer guess that in the absence of a tangible and prudent outcome aggrieved employees must have knocked at the doors of courts of law.

Although learned High court has granted relief to the employee it is the bank which has approached Supreme Court.

 However taking a cue from your post, if there is any scope of rapprochement and relief to the employees, suffering from the decision of executive that may be shared in this thread. It shall help the larger interest of employees and citizens, and it shall also restore the faith of employees in establishment and redressal mechanisms.


(Guest)
Why most of the POs who got terminated are permanent resident of bihar? In our group who got second chance to seat in the examination and failed are 16 in counting.Out of 16, eleven are from Bihar.Because the master mind is in Mumbai and he or she decided which person should be terminate........and it is also not a co-incidence.But nobody is trying to get the real fact.As we all know that questions were very easy, it was impossible to not qualify in the test.After that lots of people were terminated.Bank is denying to show our answer sheets.If they have transparency then why they r escaping to show our answer sheet....It is really surprising that India's number one bank has accepted such a cheap reason to terminate the probationary officers who faced three phase of tough recruitment exams and through out first divisioner in their academics.Whyyyyyy.........???????

Kumar Doab (FIN)     23 January 2012

@ Anna Shaw

You have made strikingly important and intelligent observations.

It is felt that all you should make it mandatory for the bank in your appeals to courts of law , to produce original marks sheet and ACR and then you may start beating the bank and identified offenders of the bank.

Tame them and shame them.

Why the affected employee should remain in hiding and feel ashamed.

Rise and fight for your rights. Let the offenders go into oblivion.


(Guest)

Dear Sir,

Through RTI I got my mark sheet and ACR certified copy.I failed by 1.5 marks, and my ACR is excellent.But bank is denying to show my answer sheet.They stated that answer sheet is the property of IBPS and maintained by IBPS.So it is not in their record.According to RTI Act IBPS does not come under RTI as it is not a public authority.Then I sent my second appeal to CIC.It is still pending.In the meantime i filed a case in calcutta high court.Hearing is pending.I challenged my termination and pray to show my answer sheet.My case is in group VI, case no- 20938/2011,Honb'le judge is Mr. Aniruddho Bose.I also asked for bank contract copy, board resolution, instruction given to IBPS.I attached here scan copy of bank's reply in this context.Everything is confidential.I cant understant why they made it confidential, what is the matter in this confidentiality????

Kumar Doab (FIN)     23 January 2012

Attachment mentioned in your post is not found. Kindly attach again.

The exam is conducted by bank. Bank has made the exam a part of employment contract, isn't it?

If bank has given the contract of conducting the exam to some another agency the onus should still remain on bank. Isn't it? This agency is paid a fee by bank or not? As far as common sense is concerned bank remains the actual custodian of exam and all related documents. Bank is trying to slip and escape from the clutches of law and evade punishment.

SC has recently ruled that copies of answer sheets be made available thru RTI route. You may apply the essence of this judgment. Your lawyer can help you.

You have been a banker.

Banks have started keeping the cheques, vouchers, forms with third party arrangement and extract the images whenever required. Does it mean that customer has lost his/her rights by this action of the bank?

Anything that is not related to the defense of the borders of our republic and can jeopardize the security of our borders of motherland should not be confidential and hence should not be allowed to be kept away from the eyes of the citizens of motherland.

In your case bank and its top management is trying to keep a highly important document confidential to cover their illegal activities.

Rise and defend your rights. Do not let this bank and these offenders become a state with in a state.


(Guest)

@ member(account deleted): If u have copy of the circular letter no. CirDO/HR/30 of 2010-2011 dated 03.01.2011 please mail me.I searched it on E-circular site but could not find.SBI has removed this circular from e-circular site.It will be a great help for our batch.My mail ID is aaina.shaw@gmail.com


(Guest)

sorry sir, I m attaching it again. Thanks for giving your valuable time and share ur thoughts.


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Kumar Doab (FIN)     23 January 2012

Some observations on sbi vs ibps are enclosed in the attachment.

You may obtain the copy of circular letter no. CirDO/HR/30 of 2010-2011 dated 03.01.2011 using RTI route or demand in court.


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Kumar Doab (FIN)     25 January 2012

IBPS has mentioned in the attchment posted by you"All records pretaining to this examination will be destroyed after 6 months from the date of despatch of results."

Therefore act immediately and restrain the bank and IBPS from doing so, even if you have to issue legal notice or obtain court order.If your union can step in and issue notice, then this may also be evaluated.


(Guest)
Sir I already filed a case in calcutta high court, made both SBI and IBPS as party.Honble Judge is on leave upto 7th Feb, so matter is pending.I sent a request letter to The Director of IBPS to not destroy any exam related document till the hearing and keep them safe in their record.......

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