Drawing two pensions with different names
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 24 October 2011
This query is : Resolved
Hi, My mother got state government job (Teacher) after marriage, in which the original Name was written in all of the documents i.e, kala devi (kala devi is written in all marksheets and graduation certificates). After a few years my father got expired (he was in army) at that time My mother-in-law (my dad's mother) wrote in the documents (of army) a different name(because at that time my grandmother used to a nick name) which was , Smt. Poonam. So from that time (about 28 years ago) till now it got the same name(Smt poonam Devi) in the pension which is obtained on behalf of my father.
on 2008 my mother also got retired from primary Teacher Job. The biggest problem is that my mother was not aware of this thing,that in future it would be more paining, and now All the bills(electricity, water,pen card,voter id and in ration card) have the name Kala Devi. But the bank (SBI, in which my father pension comes) is saying that attach the proof of Address in which there should be a name in which Smt Poonam is mentioned. in few months there would be a unique Id, exists, then it would be more paining, because i know in future this thing (two different names with same residential address, drawing two pension would collide) how this problem can be resolved?. My mom is so tensed, as someone said that in army if they find this fault, they would stop the pension and also would recover whole of the pension they have given to us since my father death.Please Guide Me, I am not finding a way, your guidance would be highly appreciable. Thanku.
Devajyoti Barman
(Expert) 24 October 2011
A duly sworn affidavit before the First class Magistrate in this regard and subsequent public notice by paper publication should resolver her problem.
Isaac Gabriel
(Expert) 24 October 2011
Legally, a right solution.You need not get panic,because there is no suppression of any facts.
ajay sethi
(Expert) 24 October 2011
generally in hindu families there is a tradition that name of wif is changed after marriage . in your mother case same thing has happened . . a sworn affidavit that mrs poonam and kaladevi is one and same person and that name was changed by in laws after marriage will resolve the issue .
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 24 October 2011
Someone replied a different remedy in lawyers club, i am sharing it with you: "Approach record office of your deceased father and move a representation to correct name in their record and accordingly enter in Part-II order".
when i asked today morning with SBI bank employee (where my father pension belongs) he said the army personnel would not change anything in their records as this is very difficult process, the army can stop your pension and also would recover whole of the pension of your father which was given since his death, till now.
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 24 October 2011
can army personnel ask this question: Why u didn't took this action of correction at the time of your father death, and after 28 years u r trying to correct this issue,. i think army is very strict by nature would the above mentioned Sworn Affadavit, and subsequent public notice, would resolve my mother problem 100%?. the bank is asking address proof , and in our address or in our ration card there is a name, Kala Devi (incorrect as per my father pension records but correct as per my mother educational records),and also my mother is drawing her pension (of teacher) so does the above mentioned remedy as suggested by shri devjyoti burman ji, would be higly acceptable?. Actually my mother is scared whether is she done any illegal activity? and after listening the recovery issue of the pension, she is even more tensed, she is 65 years old, i am the only care taker of my mother as my brother lives in delhi and i am in dehardun. I don't want that my mother would suffer any court cases in this age, so i am asking once again.Thanku.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 24 October 2011
As suggested by me to you in response to your similar query raised in Forum section of LCI, you should also get corrected your mother's name from Army as it is not a typical matter. Representation coupled with affidavit, verification, marriage certificate or affirmation of marriage between your father and mother are sufficient proofs to show that Kela Devi and Poonam is same and one lady. Entry in Part-II order shall further benefit you even after demise of your mother as many benefits are provided by army even to second life time award.
May be procedure time taking but this is full proof. I also introduce myself as ex. Defence Counsel.
prabhakar singh
(Expert) 25 October 2011
AGREE, IT IS DIFFICULT BUT POSSIBLE.SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT EARLIEST.
Guest
(Expert) 25 October 2011
Advice of Shri Devajyoti Barman is the most appropriate reply, as at this laate stage after 28 years of sanction of military pension it would be a hard nut to crack to rectify records of the military authority. Moreover, the the Controller of Defence Accounts and the statutory audit may come forward with some serious objection, which may cause more problem.
However, the other and the most easy solution to the problem is to get the name of your mother shown in the ration card, as Kala Devi alias Poonam Devi by the Food & Supplies department. But before that you must do what Shri Devajyoti Barman has advised and attach copy of the said affidavit in support of your application for modification of name of your mother. The affidavit must contain the reason of adoption of in-laws name after marriage for such a change of name.
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 27 October 2011
KYC- "Know Your Customer"
presently bank are asking to fill the form of KYC in which photo ID and Address proof is required. I have ration card but with different name (as whole of the thing i mentioned above). Also my mother have Military Hospital Identity Card (MH Card) in which her photo and present address is shown, including her finger print. I read somewhere in KYC norms that if in the identity a photo and complete address is shown then it is not necessary to submit other documents related to Address proof. But i am not fully sure of this. i want to ask, can i furnish MH card to the bank? without any other proof. Also I want to ask another question, my mother is not an investor and i think KYC is for those who wants to invest in Mutual Funds and other Investments in future,am i rite? My mother withdraw only pension, So is it compulsory to fill KYC form for her? (she don't do any investment relating thing through this account). IF she don't fills the KYC forms , would the bank stop her pension? or something else?
Shailesh Kumar Shah
(Expert) 27 October 2011
1. Submit MH Card to the bank, as already mentioned about in their list.
2. KYC is mandatory for bank's customer also irrespective fact that she is investing or not in mutual fund or other investment.
M V Gupta
(Expert) 27 October 2011
Mr. Dhingra's suggestion to get the ration card showing your mother's name as Kalavati alias Poonam is more appropriate. Aliases are very common. Hence the affidavit suggested by shri Barman may declare that your mother's maiden name is Kalavati and matrimonial name is Poonam and therefore her name is Kalavati alias Poonam.The ration card so obtained along with the affidavit may be filed with the Army authorities with a request to correct your mother's name accordingly.
Guest
(Expert) 27 October 2011
MH Card can also serve as a proof of address. You can do that also.
Further, as a matter of precaustion to avoid any future complexity, you may better get the name amended in the ration card, as I suggested already in my previous post.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
Hopefuly he gained nothing by above advise and repeated query asAnnonymous
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Problem-facing-in-two-banks-regarding-aadhar-and-pan-link--674801.asp
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
The author has nowhere stated in any thread, including the latest one wa to whether or not her mother had ESHS Card or CSD card and if so in which name.
Guest
(Expert) 11 March 2018
@ Mr. Sudhir Kumar,
Any specific reason for reopening of the 7 years old thread of the query? If you were not satisfied with the advice of any expert, you could better have given your own advice to point out or amend their mistakes.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
Question of Mr Jigyasu is relevant.
The queris came with some problem 7 years back. The experts above tried to help him and best and tried to provide best possible solution which they could. He acted upon the solutions. But he is against with no headway.
Now he opened a new thread. He opened a new thread which is disregard to experts above. It is highly relevant to bring to the notice of the experts above about new thread.
Guest
(Expert) 11 March 2018
@ Mr. Sudhir Kumar,
Sorry to point out, no appropriate justification has been offered for reopening of the 7 years old thread, when the old problem had already been solved earlier. The querist did not reopen this thread after 7 years. She started with the fresh thread with frersh problem with reference to the latest developments of Aadhar linkage with the Savings Accounts/PAN and KYC requirements. The thread has been reopened only by you after 7 years without any justification.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
I need no dictation from you.
I am not joining any debate with you like some other members do.
Guest
(Expert) 11 March 2018
@ Mr. Sudhir Kumar,
Why you should join any debate, when you found no justification for reopening of the very old thread?
There was no dictation, rather a query to know the reason for unjustifiable action on such an old thread of your part
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 11 March 2018
@jigyasu --- First Of all if Mr Sudhir Kumar is listening to me and giving the solution or help then is it crime? Before seven year back it was closed because by obeying the advice of experts including mr sudhir kumar i made affidavit regarding the name and age details..thats it...i thought this would solve the problem...now the present situation is different because all those documents did not worked at bank...so tell me the the law degree which you got is only for just SHOW OFF because your Advice and my work did not got any resolution rite now...And i ask you mr jigyasu jee in shudd hindi;; " अगर आपको सात साल पहेले कोई बीमारी लगी हो जो उस वक़्त किसी डॉक्टर ने ठीक कर दी हो तो क्या आज दोबारा से फिर वही बीमारी और भी भयंकर होकर आपको लग जाये तो क्या डॉक्टर आपको ये कहेगा की मैंने तो ठीक कर दी थी और अब मै आपका इलाज़ नहीं कर सकता ? कमाल है ....अगर सुधीर जी इंसानियत के नाते अगर मुझे कोई राये दे भी रहे हैं तो आपको क्या परेशानी है ....तो ठीक है न mr. Jigayasu jee...jigyaasa rakhni hee hai to kewal apne client tak hee rakhien jab help nahi kar sakte to beech mei naa hee koodai....Thanks
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 12 March 2018
@sudhir kumar....मैं जानता था की आपको पॉइंट्स कलेक्ट करने की आदत है । जहाँ निंदा की है कृपया उसका Timestamp.यानी समय देख ले जब वह पोस्ट लिखी गयी थी । आप वकील हैं तो मैं पॉलिटिशियन मुझे भी मालूम है कुछ उसूल
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
@ Mr. Vaibhav Negi,
You seem to be the judge of your own cause. If so, you could not have come forward with your problem in a fresh thread. You could have got solved that through your own political concepts, if you are a politician. Moreover, if you are a politician, the problem is also caused by politics, by be by any party for any reason, whatsoever. So, you could have solved your problem through your own political influence, as you do not deserve any help by the legal experts, who should not have been deemed as political experts.
The irony is when my post was not aimed at you, on what count you considered yourself justified to practise your netagiri on the experts. You could have been satisfied with the response received on your new thread. But a question arises, what type of a politician you are when you preferred to remain anonymous before the experts while raising your fresh query anonymously.
That gives ample reason to believe that neither have guts to appear before the helpers with your realself (what to say of the public), nor your problem can be a real one.
IF YOU HAVE VANITY OF BEING A POLITICAL PERSONALITY, BETTER RESTRICT YOUR POLITICS WITHIN YOURSELF DON'T TRY TO PLAY POLITICAL TRICKS ON THE EXPERTS AT LCI, IF YOU ARE DESIROUS OF ANY HELP FROM THEM.
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
@ Mr. Sudhir Kumar,
Thanks for revealing through your last post about the dual face of this self styled politician.
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 12 March 2018
@jigasu i..I have declared my name as vaibhav negi moreover what is your name ? I have a JIGAYSA to know? Lawyers club theek hai kee logo kee problem solved hoti hai but aap jaise 'do chaar kejriwal ho jayein' to LCI kee Trp girte der na lagegi
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
@ Vaibhav Negi,
LCI ki TRP to aap logon ki vague type of anonymous queries ke kaaran pehle hi bahut gir chuki hai, aur kya giregi? However, I dare you to prove me wrong on any advice so far rendered, if you believe that the TRP can go down by my contributions.
Yadi aap mein itni hi himmat hai toh aap ne neeche diye thread paer nayi query anonymous kyon post ki?
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Problem-facing-in-two-banks-regarding-aadhar-and-pan-link--674801.asp
In fact thankless people like you don't deserve any help.
vaibhav negi
(Querist) 12 March 2018
@jigaysu agar koi option hai to bata deejiye mai anonymous se hatakar original name se replace kar dunga...
