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Rohan (Querist) 13 April 2020 This query is : Resolved
My brother was, suspended from college for three weeks for ragging. Will he, be eligible for govt job in future?

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Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 13 April 2020
It is not necessary that this incident shall come in his way of getting the job. It depends upon the college authorities to make this incident as part of the character certificate of your brother.

Rohan (Querist) 13 April 2020
Thanks

But sir group A post have some character verification aftr the job is confirmed. Will it be problem.?
Because these exams take time for preparation so if it will be a problem then ill tell him to stop preparing for the exam n take a job in private post.

Can u plz guide me

kavksatyanarayana (Expert) 13 April 2020
Dear queriest, No. Let him continue studies for Gr.A exams. suspension from college will not affect the future in general.

Rohan (Querist) 13 April 2020
Thanks sir but isnt ragging considered a criminal offence?

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 13 April 2020
If any case is instituted by the college authorities or the affected students in police station then definitely the same shall be a criminal matter otherwise the same is a matter of indiscipline.

Rohan (Querist) 13 April 2020
Thank you sir
I will motivate him to study hard now
Thank you for ur valuable time

Dr J C Vashista (Expert) 14 April 2020
What are the allegations ( qua ragging) leveled against him in the complaint / FIR? What is the status of the case ?

Sudhir Kumar, Advocate (Expert) 14 April 2020
character verification form and procedure is same for all posts.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
@Dr J C vashista sir there was no case filed but he was suspended from college for three weeks.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
Sudhir kumar sir.... What is character verification form?

P. Venu (Expert) 14 April 2020
Has he been selected for appointment and he has been provided with the Attestation form?

KISHAN DUTT KALASKAR (Expert) 14 April 2020
Dear Sir,
Normally at the time of issuing his Character Certificate it will be mentioned. But if it is revoked and your brother maintained good charter thereafter then he will get a Good Character certificate.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
@P Venu sir. No he, is preparing for group a post and it will almost a year to prepare. So I'm conforming it now only so that if he is ineligible to get govt job then he, doesn't waste time to study and he may try for private job now only

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
@ Krishan Dutt no sir he was only punished once for ragging and suspended for three weeks.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 14 April 2020
You said:
My brother was, suspended from college for three weeks for ragging. Will he, be eligible for govt job in future?
Reply:
Generally, the matter is considered finished if revocation revoked, studies completed without any further problem, no FIR lodged, no police case, no court case. Your brother may apply for character certificate, if the fact is shown in character certificate issued by the College, it may be a matter of concern and college may be represented.

You said:
But sir group A post have some character verification aftr the job is confirmed. Will it be problem.? Because these exams take time for preparation so if it will be a problem then ill tell him to
Reply:
Almost all government jobs verify / seek police verification. No case was registered, no problem in police verification. Character certificate from college last attended asked, if does not reflect any such fact no problem would be faced.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 14 April 2020
You said:
but isnt ragging considered a criminal offence?
Reply:
No FIR was lodged, existence of any criminal record is doubtful.

You said:
Thank you sir I will motivate him to study hard now Thank you for ur valuable time
Reply:
He should work hard for success.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 14 April 2020
You said:
sir there was no case filed, but he was suspended from college for three weeks.
Reply:
Police verification would be OK if no FIR was registered.

You said:
What is character verification form?
Reply:
Government ask for character certificate / verification from college attended and police.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 14 April 2020
You said:
No he, is preparing for group a post and it will almost a year to prepare. So I'm conforming it now only so that if he is ineligible to get govt job then he, doesn't waste time to study and he may try for private job now only.
Reply:
Your brother may apply for a character certificate as on date, whether the fact is reflected in the certificate is to be noted.

You said:
he was only punished once for ragging and suspended for three weeks.
Reply:
It is possible. college has finished the matter by imposing punishment like punishments of monetary fines. However, always hope for the best. May proceed as advised.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
Ok Rajeev Goyal sir... I will now motivate him to study hard as he was in all sorts of doubts.

Guest (Expert) 14 April 2020
Dear Rohan,

Without mincing words, I may like to make it clear for you that your brother is not disqualified for any Government job, if there was no police case or no trial in a court of law. Mere suspension of a student for three weeks from college does not entail disqualification for a Government job.

So, if the case was neither registered with the police, nor any trial was made in the court of law, just encourage your brother to concentrate on preparation for Group A post with full confidence. Don't try to impose self conceived disqualification on him.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
Thank you dhingra p s... Sir.. Your words give new, life to people like him.. He, regret his mistakes

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
Thank you dhingra p s... Sir.. Your words give new, life to people like him.. He, regret his mistakes

But sir i request u little more time.. Which people are not eligible for govt job?

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 14 April 2020
You should concern only with your case and should not use this section of LCI for doing LLB.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
Sorry sir!! Thank you for your time!! 🙏

Guest (Expert) 14 April 2020
Rightly advised by Shri Raj Kumar Makkad. Your problem is solved. So, please don't try to stretch the issue towards any non-issue just to waste time & energy of the experts.

Rohan (Querist) 14 April 2020
Sorry sir thank you so much for your time. Thanks again sir

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 14 April 2020
Yu are always welcome restricted to your own problem relating to law.

Rohan (Querist) 15 April 2020
Thank you so much sir

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 15 April 2020
Mostly the application form / details instructions for the post applied, contain the brief guidelines for a candidate which may result him ineligible, please go through for the same.

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 15 April 2020
The format for the joining of the job do not contain such column mentioned in this case.

Guest (Expert) 15 April 2020
Instructions associated with the application form cintaines mention of eligibility conditions, not that of ineligibility. May a candidate fulfill most of the consditionsm but even any one not fulfilled out of the prescribed conditions, he is automatically treated as ineligible for the post.

Rohan (Querist) 15 April 2020
It is only asked in the application if "he is ever convicted of any criminal offence in the past?" In the application form.. So should I say yes?

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 15 April 2020
You should mention no as your brother has not been convicted in the present matter. If he is convicted in any other case then you know better.

Rohan (Querist) 16 April 2020
Thanks sir🙏 thank you for ur precious time

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 16 April 2020
Agree with the expert, if convicted by court in any case, he is not eligible for Government job.

P. Venu (Expert) 16 April 2020
To my knowledge, no application for appointment in public service seeks such information. It is sougt at a later stage, once the selection has been finalised.

Rohan (Querist) 16 April 2020
P venu sir.. It does have sir... U need to check Maharashtra public service Commission

Sudhir Kumar, Advocate (Expert) 16 April 2020
The candidate has to reply each column correctly.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 16 April 2020
Exactly, agree with expert Sudhir Kumar ji, candidate has to reply each column correctly.

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 16 April 2020
The query has not been raised by candidate rather by his brother so the possibility of many hearsay facts cannot be brushed aside.

Guest (Expert) 16 April 2020
A simple issue is being stretched too far. Anyway, the opportunity is not being missed by some experts to while away their idle time, irrespective of whether their post has any relevance to the query or not.

A race to earn scores also.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 17 April 2020
Subsequent questions from the querist / expert post need comments / replies /clarification / addition / explanation are not an effort to stretch the thread.

Guest (Expert) 17 April 2020
Agreeing with other experts at number of times cannot be considered as comments, replies, clarifications, addition and explanation. Even after posting several replies by an expert in reply to a question, if he has to merely agree with other other experts at number of times that clearly denotes that he himself was not sure about the validity of his own opinions expressed through his multiple replies and might have been provided merely junk substance to the querist in reply to the query.

Rajendra K Goyal (Expert) 17 April 2020
Every appeal has a chance to change findings / decision of lower court.

Experts are not supposed to be a super human having full / complete / undisputable knowledge. At least I try to learn, in case any of my post is not in accordance with the law of the land / so pointed out by other expert, I feel happy to amend my advice.

Guest (Expert) 17 April 2020
There is no use of an expert's making a reply to the question, if he is not sure about his knowledge and if, in addition to his multiples of replies, he also has to agree with the views of different experts on the issue that itself reveals that he had advised wrongly as against the advice of other experts. In that case, he has to admit his mistake of misguiding the querist having committed, not only once, but multiple times through multiples of his replies. If on finding other's reply correct as against your own replies, why not express regret for wrong advice made by you earlier, as compared to the replies of other experts. Plea of appeals has no logic, as it is not a case of appeal in a court and even in court anyone is not allowed to make different varieties of affidavits. If really an expert, he must have to understand this point.

Making multiples of posts, instead of editing original reply by the expert, in itself denotes that he lacks in self confidence and can't rely even on his own original reply, view, opinion or advice. So, where is the question of a querist to rely on your advice?

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 18 April 2020
A blind race is going on toamong many experts to linger on a query to the maximum length it can be with the sole purpose to earn maximum points. Sometimes such race creates jokes. It is also seen that the author finally pays his thanks to all experts who attended his query and leaves without adding anything more than that but still competition goes on to attend the same query day-night. This mockery of posting maximum threads in turn has created a sense of competition irrespective of the requirement of the author, subject, reference etc. Copy and paste from the Google search is common here. I had requested the experts to have self-discipline and not to adopt such cheap ways to increase maximum score but my advice was completely ignored by act and conduct as a result of which I was also maligned in the same process.One of the experts even openly decorated me with the words-IDIOT. Dhingra Sir! You being senior most member in age and experience, can solve this problem. Kindly pay some time for resolving this issue.

T. Kalaiselvan, Advocate (Expert) 18 April 2020
Ragging in college are generally not reported to police by college authorities hence ther wont be any criminal case registered agaisnt the individual.
Therefore it may not reflect in the police records hence he may not find any problem for future employment due to this.

Guest (Expert) 18 April 2020
Dear Shri Makkad,

Thanks for asking me to resolve the issue about senseless and a long chain of undue and unwarranted advice by some score hungry greedy experts, who having no idea of their own, often pick some idea from other experts posts and post as if developed based on their own knowledge, while they may not be knowing even a, b, c of the subject matter.

I have observed that such of the fake experts have such a thick skin that nothing can change their mindset, even if particularly pointed out to them about their blunders. Even in this query case, you would have noticed this tendency by some score hungry greedy and fake experts, when on pointing out about the expert's mistake, one or the other vague plea was offered to justify his activity.

So, it is only up to them to understand that their own image is tarnished, if they make vague advice that too in multiples, or someone of them making his adapted replies, irrespective of some expert has already rendered correct and to the point advice.

I observed that one of the experts even reached at the top of the Hall of fame by earning scores in multiple by merely stating "I agree with" this expert and that expert, multiple times on the same thread. That itself reveal, he did not have even a bit of knowledge of his own and he used to agree with anyone or everyone, may the advice of that expert be wrong to the greatest extent.In other words, if he agrees with some other expert after after first agreeing with some other expert, he indirectly admits that he wrongly agreed with the previous expert and also that he does not have his own original ideas. He just knows to yield before the others. No wonder, if he would also have developed the habit of yielding before the lawyers of the opposite parties in the court while fighting the cases of his own clients. Anyway, what impression he leaves on the minds of the querists that has to be understood only by him, not with the advice of Mr. Dhingra or someone else.

Even in this particular case when the query related to Government service rules, I know the expert making multiple posts did not have even a bit of knowledge about Government service rules, but still he continued to make several posts, as if he was the greatest expert in service rules and regulations meant for the Government the employees.

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 18 April 2020
Thanks Dhigra Sir! I had tried earlier also to have a Code of Conduct of Experts and had invited the views of all others but I found very poor response. It seems that none is interested to have some checks and balances and self-discipline so we have no other option but to accept whatever is going on. Problem is that such behaviour creates reaction and due to that reactionary mind, I also stretch the thread having full knowledge that nothing newer is going to be posted. Kindly guide me at least me what to do in such situation.

Guest (Expert) 19 April 2020
Dear Shri Raj Kumar Makkad,

As per my belief, solutions are always there" provided we are serious in our efforts.

Anyway, let these fellows continue with score gathering tricks, but surely most of the querists would understand to what extent they can be relied upon.

Raj Kumar Makkad (Expert) 19 April 2020
Thanks a lot Dhingra Sir! I shall strictly follow your advie given indirectly. I shall try to maintain the grace associated with the word 'Expert of Law'

Guest (Expert) 19 April 2020
You are welcome Makkad ji.