Problem facing in two banks regarding aadhar and pan link
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Anonymous
(Querist) 07 March 2018
This query is : Resolved
Hello My mother getting pension of my father since 25 years , father had expired and served for the army as a havaldar rank.. Now at that time my grand father furnished the nick name of my mother in the army records for pension as “poonam devi”. My mother was also on state government job as a primary school teacher and retired few years back in 2008 where her name is kala devi as per her educational certificates and records...Now these days aadhar and pan requirement is compulsory for every bank account opened. And now she is facing the problem that i am describing .... first these are details of two bank account where one bank is connected to my father pension and other is connected to my mother pension (as she retired form teacher few years back)
SBI Bank : My Father Pension (or My mother Husband Pension)
Mother name (written on passbook): poonam devi
Bithdate: 08/09/1950
&
PNB Bank: Mother pension
Mother Name (written on passbook): Kala devi
Bithdate: 08/09/1950
(Both the Bank account is opened in the same city)
Even few years back at 2011 i had made court affidavit regarding this that both the name is of same person which was nototrized and duly signed and stamped by city SDM (State District Magistrate) Also an Advertisement was also published on local newspaper so that in future no problem would arrive (I have all the documents including affidavit and newspaper advertisement kept safely) then on the basis of this affidavit and documents AADHAR CARD name which was formerly “kala devi” was corrected Now n Aadhar the new corrected name is “ Kala Devi alias Poonam Devi”. But i have not changed it on Pan number in which only Kala Devi is written as per her educational records As people told me that you can’t change the name in pan like Alias Name. It should be only one name.. My mother teacher pension is well connected to Pan card and also Income Tax written is filled on time but now because in Sbi bank there is a need of pan and aadhar to be connect but when i furnished all the details to Sbi bacnk they are denying to accept and saying that your aadhar can not be linked to our system because there it showing error as in passbook or bank details it is poonam devi and in aadhar the name is in alias (which is Kala devi alias poonam devi) and also said that in the Pan card your mother name not matches to our Bank records....Problem is what to do in this type of situation Some says do this Some says do that but no one even the bank employe have the correct answer...SBI Bank employe says change all names according to the Pension of My father as it is very complicated to change the Army records and a very lengthy process but if i do that then what about my mother own teacher pension? Because sooner or later this condition would also arise at other bank of pnb..Now what to Do?
My mother is very depressed as she is thinking that in few Days May be her Husband Pension Would Stopped.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
You had earlier made the same uery with same names.
Facts/rules do not change by repeated query
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
YOU SAID
“Now at that time my grand father furnished the nick name of my mother in the army records for pension as “poonam devi”.
FACT IS THAT
In earlier thread you said that it was your grandmother who gave wrong name.
The whole query seems to be a misstatement. Either you are unaware of the facts or yourself want to get wrong advise based on wrong facts.
You grandfather or grandmother was nobody (just nobody) who would give the name of widow to Army. In armed forces whenever some PBOR reports from leave after marriage he is summoned in unit office to complete documents and is called upon to change nomination.
SO name Poonam Devi would have been entered by your father only and you which may have been name of his wife.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
YOUR SAID
“poonam devi”.
FACT IS THAT
There can be hardly anyone (who knows that 2+2=4) to believe that such name could be a nickname. This is a proper name of a lady existing in reality which your mother knew and claimed pension on her name.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
YOUR SAID
My mother was also on state government job as a primary school teacher and retired few years back in 2008 where her name is kala devi as per her educational certificates and records...
FACT IS THAT
Your mother was Kala Devi a Govt employee and while being in govt service she had been drawing pension in wrong name of “Poonam Devi”.
Had she been caught doing so while in service she could have lost her job.
Still liable for a criminal case.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
YOUR SAID
Now these days aadhar and pan requirement is compulsory for every bank account opened. And now she is facing the problem that i am describing ....
FACT IS THAT
Actually she would have continued getting pension of someone else using wrong name had the RBI not launched strict drive against fraudulently opened benami account
Many such persons have been caught in this drive.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
YOUR SAID
first these are details of two bank account where one bank is connected to my father pension and other is connected to my mother pension (as she retired form teacher few years back) SBI Bank : My Father Pension (or My mother Husband Pension)
THE FACT IS THAT
She can no more draw pension from that account. If the issue is raked up then she can face FIR as well.
SO let her coolly contend with her lawful pension she is getting from state govt.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
Given facts indicate a very strong possibility that that :
1. The soldier died.
2. He had a wife called Pooname Devi.
3. He registered his with Poonam Devi.
4. Later he married Kala Devi.
5. For fear of losing job in Army he never reported this marriage to Army.
6. He died.
7. Kala Devi posed as Pooname Devi and claimed pension.
8. She oped account in the name of Poonam Devi.
9. Unsuspectingly the CDA continued remitting pension in the account.
10. Unsuspecting the bank continued paying the pension.
11. Due to Adhar linking of bank account her cover is blown and now she is not able to operate this account.
2008 में पूरे 60 वर्ष कि आयु में रिटायर हुई अम्मा को कहो कि पुलिस का सामना करने के लिए 70 वर्ष की उम्र काफी ज्यादा होती है खासकर उसके लिए तो कभी थाने न गया हो (अभियुक्त कि तरह)
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
you asked the same query six year back.
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/details.asp?mod_id=45867&offset=1
In this thread some persons advised you to make some affidavit or other document.
Hopefully you did not succeed and still facing that 2+2=4
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
in 2011 opened thread as Vaibhav Negi
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Drawing-two-pensions-with-different-names-242586.asp
You were advised to use this as pre-marital name.
did not succeed
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
also see
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/details.asp?mod_id=161557&offset=1
Guest
(Expert) 11 March 2018
BRAVO ! An extraordinary attempt on the part of Mr. Sudhir Kumar to add multiples of scores to his credit by making 10 replies in continuation for a single query!
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 11 March 2018
Each sentence of him speaks a different story and needs to be examined separately.
Guest
(Expert) 11 March 2018
I differ with the view of Shri Sudhir Kumar, which states "THE FACT IS THAT. She can no more draw pension from that account. If the issue is raked up then she can face FIR as well. SO let her coolly contend with her lawful pension she is getting from state govt."
A pertinent question arises, why she should not draw her due pensions and on account of what offense an FIR would be lodged against her?
If she is a legally wedded wife and her name was changed by her husband or in-laws, she cannot legally be denied the family pension of her deceased husband. If she herself was employed with her original name in the Government organization, she cannot also be denied her own pension.
Earlier, the name of a woman used to be changed by in-laws after marriage. So, there can be two names of a woman, the pre-marriage and the post marriage names. The problem arose only due to the requirement of compulsory linkage of the Aadhaar No. with the PAN Card as well as the Bank Account, as only an Aadhar Card with a single name can be issued with a unique biometric system of the human body of a person. Stoppage of pension can be due to non-linkage of Aadhar with the Bank account, but legally none of the two pensions, if due, can be denied to the pensioner.
So, some frantic effort may be required to be made to bring the serious lacuna to the notice of the Supreme Court of India, the PMO, and the UIDAI with adequate proof of the names of the woman to seek some legal solution from these institutions. The iron is still hot as the matter is under active consideration of the Supreme Court of India and nobody would so far have pointed out such a very serious problem. The querist may better hire some prudent lawyer to represent the issue appropriately before the authorities concerned.
In fact, any type of pension should not be made liable to be linked with the Aadhar Card. Adequate solution is required to be sought rather than forgetting to draw any one of the pensions.
Dr J C Vashista
(Expert) 11 March 2018
No reply for anonymous author.
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Dr J C Vashista
(Expert) 11 March 2018
Repetition of same story time and again is not only stupidity but also abuse of this platform.
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Anonymous
(Querist) 11 March 2018
@Dhingra १९६२ Thanks sir a lot...I know everyone is just doing experiment here and one of the funny expert name sudhir kumar first i thought a good expert but after reading this line (while writing this post at 10:27 P.M 11 march 2018) of him on 11 march 2018 about the mother in which he said" अम्मा को कहो की FIR फेस करने को तैयार रहो और पुलिस का सामना करने के लिए 70 की उम्र बहुत ज्यादा होती है" And now my message to Sudhir kumar " shayad mujhe lagta hai kee 45 saal kee umar mei 80 saal ka hone par jo dimaag se satak jaate hain wo esi baat karte hai...और हाँ आप अच्छे एक्सपर्ट या वकील है या नहीं ये तो मुझे नहीं पता वो तो वक़्त बताएगा पर इतना आज अपनी डायरी में लिख सुधीर कुमार की जितना तूने कहा है ना बिना किसी ठोस सबूत के आधार पर कहा है जबकि सच तो मुझे पता है चाहे एक साल लगे या १० साल पेंशन भी आएगी और तेरे ये पोस्ट भी संभाल कर रखूँगा ताकि भविष्य में इसी lawerys club में तेरी ये फ़िज़ूल की राये लोगो को दिखा सकूँ क्यूंकि मैंने पुलिस और प्रशाशन और हाई कोर्ट और मीडिया इन सब के रंग देखें है आप जैसे कानून के रखवाले जो केवल डिग्री लेकर कुछ भी अनाप शनाप बोल दे ते है और सोचते हैं की की हमसे कोई नहीं भिड सकता तो जनाब भूल है आपकी ....जिस तरह सात साल बाद आज इस पोस्ट को खोलने की वजह थी तो भविष्य में शायद आपके स्वागत के लिए भी यहाँ नहीं तो कही और भी किसी सोशल मीडिया साईट पर आपके विचार जरुर शेयर किये जायेंगे...जय हिन्द
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 12 March 2018
If you really want to proceed then repreent to the pension deptt of Army HJQ. Address:-
AG/PS4
Army HQ,
New Delhi-110011
You should have done long back if you really think that your claim is genuine.
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
@ Mr. Anonymous,
Since you have stated in the following thread that you are a politician, you may better get your problem solved through political channels, as only the politics is the only root cause of your problem. Linking of Aadhar has not been prescribed by any of the experts of LCI, it is only by the desires of the present day political party in power.
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
@ Anonymous author,
You have addressed your latest post to me by addressing "@ Dhingra 1962" but your post is quite a hodge podge of attack on two different persons, as that does not make clear, whom you have actually criticised and don't agree with my opinion OR that of Mr. Sudhir Kumar.
If against my, opinion, can you please clarify on which point you disagree with me? Mind it, as against your allegation, I have not opened your 7 years old post. In that respect, you are grossly mistaken. So far I know, I have neither advised you wrongly 7 years before, nor in your present thread.
However, your post smacks of some intention of blackmailing tactics by keeping yourself hidden in the veil of anonymity to highlight our opinions as wrong through the media. Although, from your statement, "चाहे एक साल लगे या १० साल पेंशन भी आएगी और तेरे ये पोस्ट भी संभाल कर रखूँगा ताकि भविष्य में इसी lawerys club में तेरी ये फ़िज़ूल की राये लोगो को दिखा सकूँ," there seems to be an open attempt of misuse of this forum on your part to fulfill your blackmailing desires, my advice for you, why to wait indefinitely, you may better start your tirade against me right now by going to the media and prove my opinion in my above post as wrong, if you can. ALSO, if you feel that my opinion can be proved wrong at any time in future, may be 10, 20 or even 50 years with reference to the present day rules of the Government, you may keep that post duly framed, so that the same may not be destroyed or lost from your record.
BEST OF LUCK !
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Anonymous
(Querist) 12 March 2018
@dhingra1962....sir my words was not for you even you are the only person who guided and support me with a better explanation...the words that was written was for another man...Also i am not making politics here I am here to know whether the the case that I have finished belong to some other? Because if somebody have faced this unique problem then I am sure he also tried some process through which he got success...and the lawyers may be got or faced this type of problem regarding pension of his clients...that's the only reason to write in Lawyers Club...I am very appreciated to you and thanks for guidance to me ...you are my elder and I respect you...Because sudhir jee directly attacked and wrote something bad about my mom that's why I used that language in his way of talking...by the way dhingra sir those wrong words was not for you...thanks.
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
If that was your intention as you wrote in your latest post, you were not expected to address me with such bad observation against Mr. Sudhir Kumar by using first person language for me, which denoted as if you wrote against my opinion. You could well have made another post addressing the other fellow to convey your ill feelings directly to him, not me.
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Anonymous
(Querist) 12 March 2018
@dhingra.....it was mistake due to language problem as I typed from an Android mobile so quickly nor I checked it before post may be some misunderstanding happened...but for sudhir kumar and his follower jigyasu jee my words would strictly remain those I wrote in my previous post...thanks
Guest
(Expert) 12 March 2018
Your latest statement proves that the politicians at first unwittingly make mistake in their controversial statement and then declare that that was not the meaning of what they said earlier. Great tactics !
Anyway, you will always remain under some gross misunderstanding, if you believe that I am the follower of Mr. Sudhir Kumar.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 13 March 2018
actually this person will never accept that 2+2=4.
He came here wot listen to some views which are suitable to his ears. He doe snot seem to be interested in knowing the evidence that his father has created against his mother.
He does not seem to believe that the exercise involves amendment of PPO by changing official record to alter name of wife of soldier that too after so many years.
he does not seem to understand that none is going to believe that just because his grandfather/grandmother gave a statement and name of mother was recorded wrongly.
He doe snot seem to ready believe that a soldier has to submit a nomination form giving details of the nominee and whatever name he stated then in his life time that cannot be altered at the request of third party.
In another thread someone advised him to represent to NPS. He was apparently happy without understanding that the case is not of NPS [meant for post 1.1.2004 appointed civilians only].
So finally I have advised him the details of correct authority whom he should represent. Let him represent and if not successful go to AFT. If not successful then go to Supreme Court. May be he is able to prevail upon the Supreme Court to frame new directions to be applied to all future Family Pension Account.
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Anonymous
(Querist) 13 March 2018
@sudhir kumar .....mai bhool gaya tha ki vakeel kewal behas hee karna jaante hain..or shayad isi kaaran yahan bewajah faaltu baat jyada ho rahi hai...ek kahawat hai andhon mei kaana raja' ab raja kon hai ye to aapko pata hoga.... mujhe ab yaha koi rai nahi chahiye kyunki ye manch to kewal kahani ka postmortem karne ke liye hai or isse jyada yaha teeka tippani karna kuch esa hai jaisa भैंस के आगे बीन बजाना। by thanks to all and bye LCI for such a Great experience
