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NATARAJAN IYER (Proprietor)     18 August 2015

Advocate RAPES client !!!! What If This Happens ???

Readers,

I saw this post on this forum and answered that person in detail. A RARE BUT VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. 

' RAPE BY ADVOCATE '.

Here is the link to that person's query.

Discussion > Criminal Law > Criminal complaint against an advocate

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As usual, my response is in detail. It might help you as well, atleast to improve upon your general knowledge in such serious matters.

 

I am presenting the same here again. Lengthy post, but helpful.

 

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I HOPE THIS QUESTION IS NOT POSED BY AN ADVOCATE WHO IS SLOWLY TRAPPING A WOMAN AND FORCING HER INTO A DIVORCE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SEXUAL FANTASIES SATISFIED. IF THAT IS THE CASE, YOU ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE.

 

I HOPE THIS IS NOT A CURIOUS MIND-GAME-ADDICT who got this doubt and seeks an answer on this forum.

THE TOPIC YOU HAVE RAISED IS A VERY SERIOUS ONE AND THAT TOO IN TODAY'S INDIA, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE NIRBHAYA CASE.

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BUT, IF THIS IS GENUINELY A WOMAN SEEKING LEGAL INSIGHT, then here it is.

 

Complete these activities, step by step.

 

FIRST, RECORD THE ADVOCATE's CONVERSATION.

 

VISIT THE ADVOCATE, EITHER ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON ( Time your visit Between 11:45 to 12:00 noon.

By around 1:30 P.M. on Sundays, Advocates wish to be at home eating home food, especially the week-end non-vegetarian dish or even a plain home-made vegetarian dish.

Sunday noon lunch at Home.

This is their Policy. So, after 12:30, their irritation and anger levels shoot up, especially so since the farmers who visit mainly on Sundays, stay back for long time periods and then shell out some money as fee.

This delays the advocate's lunch too.

Sundays- 2:45 to 5:30 P.M. is SLEEP TIME or REST hour or LEISURE time for the advocates. They will NOT answer the phone even if it the President of USA calling them. ) 

 

OR

 

Visit the Advocate BETWEEN 4:30 to 6:30 P.M. on the week-days, since this would be after court hours and these time slots see the advocate in a relaxed state of mind.

 

when he is in a relaxed state of mind, he will reveal his true character willfully since any person loves his own identity.

 

On week-days, avoid meeting the advocate after 9 P.M. He will be in a mood to rush home.

 

On any day, avoid speaking to the criminal advocate after 10 P.M.

 

Some convicts / People arrested and remanded to judicial custody, speak from within the Jail Premises and enquire about bail application and the result. They argue with him about the delay,...etc. So, tempers run high.

 

The relatives of the convicts / People arrested and remanded to judicial custody, too would prefer to speak to the advocates after 9:30 P.M.

 

So, avoid these HIGH-VOLTAGE timings < After 9 P.M. >

 

Although this rule does not apply to all advocates, I have observed this pattern in many advocates.

 

 

Now, about the criminal rapist advocate. Record the conversation. HAVE A PEN-CAMERA.

 

I SUGGEST THE PEN-CAMERA EVEN TO CRIMINAL ADVOCATES SINCE SOME POLITICIANS ARE TOO DIRTY TO BE SPARED AND THE ADVOCATES THEMSELVES HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

 

YOU CAN HAVE A PEN CAMERA TO VIDEO-CAPTURE THIS SEXIST ADVOCATE's MOVES.

 

This EVIDENCE is the FIRST and FOREMOST you must gather.

 

EVEN IF HE RAPES YOU, you must GET A MEDICAL REPORT BEFORE YOU PASS URINE OR STOOLS SINCE WITH the passage of URINE OR STOOLS, THE EVIDENCE BECOMES DIFFICULT.

 

IN A 376 C, YOU CANNOT ASK THE COURT TO RELY ON CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE alone.

 

You need to present DIRECT EVIDENCE.

 

1) Now, after the evidence part, visit the Government mental health centre / hospital in your city, fix an appointment with a counsellor and discuss this issue and your tensed state of mind ( Getting into frequent DEPRESSION due to that EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL ) by that advocate and obtain a certificate from the hospital with that counsellor / psychologist/ psychiatrist certifying your DEPRESSION as the illness and the medicines prescribed to that effect. HISTORY OF CONSULTATION is very important a document you must seek from the hospital. That SHEET is the ONLY SHEET that will CLEARLY MENTION THE REASON for your consulting the counsellor/ psychologist/ psychiatrist. This is the Most Important Sheet that you must maintain throughout the case.

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Remember to have all documents of your bank statements, property,...etc FINANCIAL STRENGTH intact, in order to prove that you have no necessity to derive illegal gains by attempting to falsely implicate the advocate.

 

WHEN YOU FIGHT ADVOCATES, POLICE, DOCTORS, POLITICIANS, SENIOR PROFESSIONALS FROM ANY INDUSTRY and the BUSINESSMEN YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE HUGE STEPS AND THAT IS POSSIBLE ONLY IF YOU ARE A GENUINE VICTIM.

 

IF YOU ATTEMPT TO FIGHT WITH WEAK PUNCHES AND BLOWS, you will JUST FALL FLAT AND WITH SERIOUS INJURY AND DAMAGE.

 

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ART OF INTELLECTUAL BOXING AND IF YOU DO NOT POSSESS SUSTAINED STAMINA, DO NOT FIGHT AN ADVOCATE.

 

To you, courts are a once-in-a-life-time and that too only if it cannot be avoided.

 

But to the advocate, it is a daily work-place.

 

So, at leisure he can ensure that you are made to frequent the court where he can play a good boxing round with you.

 

They have not spared even the commissioner of police, the IAS officers, the ministers,..etc.

 

There are instances where even these high ranking people have been made to come to the court and harassed by the advocates.

 

So, develop courage first. Never forget that you are the VICTIM.

 

This is very important. NEVER FORGET that you are the VICTIM. That is what keeps your courage and energy as a continous flow of energy filled confidence and courage.

 

ESPECIALLY CRIMINAL MATTERS, fight it well and with courage and wisdom, SINCE THE GUTTER CAN BE VERY DEEP AND EXCEPT FOR FEW HIGHLY INTELLIGENT INDIVIDUALS AND CRIMINAL ADVOCATES, MANY ADVOCATES THEMSELVES AVOID GETTING CAUGHT IN CRIMINAL MATTERS.

 

YET, IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT AN ADVOCATE, DO ONE THING.

 

FIND OUT FROM THE CAUSE-LIST ( AVAILABLE ONLINE FROM THE HIGH COURT WEB-SITE ) OR EVEN WITH THE BENCH-CLERK AT THE COURT, FIND OUT FROM THE CAUSE-LIST THE CASES FOUGHT BY THAT ADVOCATE IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WHO HIS OPPONENT ADVOCATE HAS BEEN AND MAINLY THE CASE WHERE THE ADVOCATE HAS LOST.

 

THAT CASE WHERE THE ADVOCATE HAS LOST, THAT OPPONENT ADVOCATE IS A PERSON WHO WILL BE AWARE OF THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THIS ADVOCATE.

 

CHECK A MINIMUM OF FIVE TO SIX CASES FOUGHT BY THE SEXUAL MONSTER ADVOCATE AND THE ADVOCATES WHO HAVE DEFEATED HIM.

 

Hire the services of ONE among those ADVOCATES WHO HAS DEFEATED HIM.

 

USUALLY ADVOCATES LOVE TO BOX AND DEFEAT THE SAME ADVOCATE MULTIPLE TIMES IF ON AN EARLIER OCASSION THIS ADVOCATE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED ONCE.

 

IT IS A PRESTIGE GAME THAT HAPPENS AMONG ADVOCATES. BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT GAME.

 

LET ME NOT GIVE YOU THOSE DETAILS. NOT REQUIRED HERE.

 

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2) Currently, who is the Bar Council Chairman ? Find that from the Office of the Bar. You can just phone and find out. You do not even need to visit the office.

Also, find out the names of the Bar Council Members.

Have this list ready.

 

3) First, Record your Statement with a FIRST CLASS MAGISTRATE and request him to instruct the police to register an FIR.

With this, the exercise begins.

This is because, it is already a 376 case. So, if you go by yourself to file a police complaint, the police might drive you away saying you are an IMMORAL WOMAN seeking to gain ILLEGAL GAINS by BLACKMAILING that advocate.

 

That Advocate too can file a criminal defamation charge against you and also attempt to falsely implicate you saying that you are a COMMERCIAL PROSTITUTE and your husband is a PIMP and that both of you have planned to defame the advocate and blackmail him to extract MONEY AND PROPERTY.

 

Also, if you plainly walk in to the magistrate court without proper LEGAL SAFETY AND SECURITY measures, the MAGISTRATE COURT ADVOCATES might surround you and even assault you verbally and physically. If you know foul language and foul words and have developed a thick skin to those, then you can visit the magistrate court, with some confidence.

You must be psychologically strong and mentally strong too.

 

On one side, one advocate will be discussing with a criminal with hand-cuffs and the police holding the hand-cuff.

 

On another side, you can see a rape convict with Gutkha in his mouth and spitting it right next to you and staring at you as if you have done a crime standing next to him and preventing him from spitting freely.

 

In another court < The jurisdictional police stations across the city, are assigned to different ACMM court halls, with each ACMM court dealing with a certain number of police stations >, you can see an advocate walk out and shout openly that the magistrate has accepted a bribe and hence is delaying the bail.

 

In short, magistrate court is one place where you can see all sorts of scenes.

 

Usually, even the advocates of long-standing in the bar, avoid the magistrate court and traffic offence courts as also the consumer courts and hand it over to some junior or some third or even thirtieth advocate in their professional network.

 

So, it is always advisable to exercise caution when you go to the magistrate court since there have been instances when even the asst.commissioner of police and higher officials have thought twice before deciding to go there to exercise their authority.

 

The Women's Team of Advocates at the magistrate court are equally energetic to surround you and intimidate you and assault you, both verbally and physically.

 

So, go legally safe and secure and maintain LOW-PROFILE. Go Silently, record your statement and move away, Silently.

 

4) In your complaint, be very specific that 376-C is being attempted against you, by that advocate.

 

376-C is the IPC section. Remember it very well.

 

Invoked when a person with fiduciary powers attempts a 376 against you.

 

READ THE IPC AND CrPC AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE IPC and CrPC that cover blackmail, seeking s*xual favours, instigation to commit crime against your husband, criminal conspiracy ( 120B ), breach of trust that you reposed in him as your advocate, illegal gains, etc etc etc.

 

LIST EACH OF THOSE APPLICABLE SECTIONS in your statement.

 

I have given the meaning of fiduciary here, for your reference.

 

  1. fiduciary is a person who holds a legal or ethical relationship of trust with one more other parties (person or group of persons).
 
376C. Whoever, being— (a) in a position of authority or in a fiduciary relationship; or (b) a public servant; or (c) superintendent or manager of a jail, remand home or other place of custody established by or under any law for the time being in force, or a women's or children's institution; or (d) on the management of a hospital or being on the staff of a hospital, abuses such position or fiduciary relationship to induce or seduce any woman either in his custody or under his charge or present in the premises to have s*xual intercourse with him, such s*xual intercourse not amounting to the offence of rape, shall be punished with rigorous imprisonment of either descripttttttion for a term which shall not be less than five years, but which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine.
 
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3. Now the exercise begins
 
 
4. Immediately, send by registered post ( speed post preferable ), copy of your statement to the magistrate, to the bar council chairman and members clearly mentioning the SYNOPSIS ( Attempt to commit 376C and DEGRADING THE BAR COUNCIL AS A SEAT ARRANGEMENT THAT SEES MEMBERS COME AND GO, INSTEAD OF RESPECTING THE BAR COUNCIL AS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LEGAL BODY AND THEREBY ATTEMPTING PSYCHOLOGICAL INTIMIDATION TOWARDS SEEKING SEXUAL FAVOURS AND SEXUAL GRATIFICATION ).
 
 
5. Next day, file a formal complaint at the bar council, deposit the fee and attach the evidence.
 
 
6. Take photo-copies of these and submit it at
 
 
a) The Office of the Public Prosecutor ( Since he represents the state and the state represents you in this criminal offence, fighting on your behalf ). MEET THE ADVOCATE GENERAL PERSONALLY and submit a set of copies there too. They might not accept. In that case, say you are bringing it to his notice.
 
b) The Women's Commission ( See the word ' commission '. commission means it is a governmental wing.
 
' council ' might be a plain NGO. )
 
So, identify properly. Meet them and submit a formal complaint and the same set of photo copies.
 
c) The Home Ministry ( They might not accept but try. Even if they accept, they forward it to the commissioner of police who will check and see that the magistrate has already ordered the FIR to be registered and the jurisdictional police might have started investigation already )
 
d) Women Affairs and Welfare Ministry ( Meet the Principal Secretary ONLY. Do not meet the Additional Secretary or anybody else. Meet the Principal Secretary ONLY and submit the copies requesting them to guide you and assist you in case you are unable to fight the battle single-handedly since the advocate will put in all his power and influence to get out of the ring of investigation, interrogation, evidence, cross-examination, fine and punishment ).
 
 
7. Now, draft a separate letter highlighting these, to the CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE HIGH COURT of your State and make it clear that you are bringing it to his notice, as a
 
HELPLESS WOMAN fighting the AMOROUS AND LUSTY MOVES of a MONSTER in a BLACK COAT and as a FORMAL VOICE OF A WEAK WOMAN, seeking to move pillar and post to ensure her safety and legal rights towards her FIGHT in SURVIVAL WITH DIGNITY AND SELF-RESPECT intact.
 
 
8. Have the addresses and names ready of the WOMAN RIGHTS NGOs and a few MEDIA professionals.
 
 
PICK ANY NEWSPAPER, CHECK THE NAME OF THE JOURNALIST COVERING THE CRIME REPORTS and have a few names of such journalists ready.
 
 
*** BUT BE VERY CAREFUL BEFORE YOU MEET ANYBODY - WHETHER MALE OR FEMALE - WHO PROMISE TO HELP YOU WITH JUSTICE.
 
 
LOT OF PIMPS AND PROSTITUTES ROAM AROUND IN SOCIETY IN ALL PROFESSIONS, WITH THE SOLE MOTIVE OF PUSHING A WOMAN INTO THE FLESH TRADE. THEY EXIST, ACROSS ALL AGE GROUPS and among BOTH MALE AND FEMALE.
 
 
THAT WORLD IS A HUGE WORLD IN ITSELF.
 
 
THE DAY AN INSPECTOR REPORTS FOR DUTY AT A NEW JURISDICTION, THAT SAME DAY, THE LIST OF HOTELS, LODGES, ROWDIES, PROSTITUTES AND PIMPS, CRIMINALS,...etc WILL BE PROVIDED TO HIM.
 
 
BUT HOW WILL THE COMMON MAN KNOW THE PIMPS AND PROSTITUTES in society, and that too, in today's society ??? ***
 
 
SO, BE CAREFUL OF NGOs, MEDIA JOURNALISTS,...etc
 
 
THEY WOULD ASK YOU TO COME TO THE PRESS CLUB.
 
 
MEDIA LOVES TO HATE ADVOCATES. MANY JOURNALISTS HAVE CASES OF CRIMINAL DEFAMATION AGAINST THEM. MINIMUM OF TWO CASES IN THE LIFE-TIME OF A JOURNALIST.
 
 
THEY NEED AN ADVOCATE TO FIGHT THESE OUT.
 
 
THEIR EGO AND THE ADVOCATE'S EGO CLASH AND THESE MEDIA PROFESSIONALS WHO HATE SOCIETY SINCE THEY FEEL SOCIETY IS A DARK PLACE, LOVE TO HATE THE ADVOCATES.
 
 
SO THEY MIGHT ALSO USE YOU AND YOUR CASE AS A PAWN.
 
SO BE CAREFUL.
 
IF YOU GO TO THE PRESS CLUB, LET IT BE BEFORE LUNCH HOUR.
 
AFTER 5 P.M. avoid the press club.
 
You will see 60 plus seniors with alcoholic drinks.
 
They will promise the Sky and the Sun the very next day, but who knows what will happen to you next.
 
*** THESE SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT ADVOCATE RUN ONE HUNDRED KILOMETRES AWAY, MERELY UPON LISTENING TO YOUR NAME BEING MENTIONED.
 
IF IT DOES NOT, MEET THE SAME SET OF PEOPLE AGAIN.
 
SECOND TIME SAME SET OF PEOPLE APPROACHED FOR HELP AGAINST A REPEAT OFFENDER, THAT ADVOCATE WILL DEFINITELY GO BEHIND BARS AND ALSO HAVE HIS NAME OFF THE ROLLS.***
 
 
A SENSIBLE ADVOCATE WILL NOT FIGHT WITH THE BAR COUNCIL CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS AND ESPECIALLY THE BAR COUNCIL - THE INSTITUTION ITSELF.
 
 
WHEN MATTER REACHES THE CHIEF JUSTICE AND IF ANY SERVING JUDGE CALLS YOU TO HIS CHAMBERS, BE HONEST AND BRIEF AND READY WITH EVIDENCE.
 
 
THAT ADVOCATE WOULD BE WARNED, IF THIS WERE TO BE 2005.
 
 
BUT NOW, IT IS A VERY SERIOUS MATTER AFTER THE NIRBHAYA CASE. THE ADVOCATE WILL BE ARRESTED.
 
 
IF YOU VISIT THE LAW MINISTER AND THE PRIME-MINISTER'S OFFICE, WITH YOUR COMPLAINT, THAT ADVOCATE WILL HAVE TO FORGET HIS PROFESSION. IT IS INDEED A SERIOUS OFFENCE.
 
 
SO, do not get scared.
 
 
IF IT IS TRUE THAT YOU ARE BEING TROUBLED BY THAT ADVOCATE, I WOULD SAY, THAT ADVOCATE IS PLAYING WITH FIRE ASSUMING THAT NOBODY CAN PULL HIM UP.
 
 
HIS WAKING-UP ACTIVITY WILL BE A RUDE SHOCK TO HIMSELF, IF THAT IS HIS MIND-SET.
 
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There are many methods of making that advocate shiver in fear, but I do not want to list those, since we should not mis-use the avenues and options and from our side, let us always be law-abiding.
 
Let us not be sadists deriving pleasure in the pain of others.
 
 
GOOD DEEDS DONE AS A DUTY IN LIFE, WILL ALWAYS RETURN TO REWARD YOU
 
BAD, EVIL AND PERVERT DEEDS DONE, WILL ALWAYS RETURN TO HAUNT YOU LIKE THE GHOST THAT NEVER LEFT.


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 15 Replies

SAINATH DEVALLA (LEGAL CONSULTANT)     18 August 2015

I appreciate the efforts of Mr.Natarajan.


(Guest)

You can conquer God, but not se x, Ram Gopal Verma once said in an interview.

 

But here, like in any other profession here too in law world there are such  ppl, no wonder. 

 

My advice would be, better not get into situation where you will have to deal with law.

SAINATH DEVALLA (LEGAL CONSULTANT)     18 August 2015

Mr.Reddi,this is a lawyers forum officially,but other members are also permitted to give their opinion (including farmers).being a non legal member U have no business to criticise the lawyers in general,which can be reported abusive.Hence better control UR keyboard  when U R replying to sensitive matters. U may come accross rapists amongst the farmers too.

Biswanath Roy (Advocate)     20 August 2015

Mr. Iyer,

Does this topic falls within your IT services? If it is yes, then I have nothing to add but if it is 'NO' then be careful to save yourself from the long hands of law.

NATARAJAN IYER (Proprietor)     20 August 2015

@ Biswanath Roy

 

I have never seen such a reply to my post.

 

It is clear that you have neither read my profile properly nor my article.

 

I have mentioned "... what IF this happens "

 

There is the word IF .

 

And for your kind information there are many incidents of violation of law and that too of serious nature, 

by some advocates.

 

I have one question to you " Are you living in the Real World or in some bookish world ? "

 

Speak to any bar council member and you can hear multiple complaints of multiple types against advocates.

 

Anyway, my focus is on contributing to a safe society where every individual is able to live a safe life with DIGNITY and

SELF-RESPECT Intact.

 

So, I do not feel it necessary to get into your book of belief and argue and negotiate with you.

 

As for the lengthy arms of the law, do not worry.

 

Law runs in my blood for many generations with many family members having been legal officers and judge as well right from early post-independence India as well as pre-independence days and I am back after a gap.

 

So do not worry about that.

 

I am serving the law and society and both of them stand by me.

Good, Bad, Evil and Perverts, I have interacted with all of them and even fearlessly tackled a few cranky advocates.

It is one huge family. They know me and I know them.

They respect me whichever court i meet them in and I return the mutual respect.

 

Judicial Segment is happy that I am doing something beneficial for them in the field of technology.

 

Society is happy that I am doing something beneficial for them in the field of Law.

 

Anyway, I am working towards a legally-knowledgeable brave and self-confident society where the human being

lives with dignity and self-respect intact.

 

No time to waste. Thankyou.

Born Fighter (xxx)     21 August 2015

Mr Natarajan, we appreciate your efforts and welcome your posts ! 

Do not get influenced or affected by negative reviews/comments, you are touching upon a very valid and sensitive topic so just ignore and continue posting !!!smiley

NATARAJAN IYER (Proprietor)     21 August 2015

@ Born Fighter

 

Thanks a Ton.

 

Society is burning with the YOUTH of MEN and WOMEN being used as the fuel.

The responsibilities are so huge upon each of us.

 

If this is permitted this way, the future will see lot of step-sons, step-daughters, orphans, double marriage, five marriages, seven marriages,...etc etc etc

 

Society will be a huge OCEAN OF IMMORALITY and CHARACTERLESSNESS.

 

That will have multiple side-effects.

Disturbed Child-hood, Drug-Addicts, etc etc etc

Huge Violence, Disturbed and IMBALANCED society.

 

Oh My God ! Just to think of it is scary.

 

America too could not afford it.

 

In India the Population is so high that the size of the problems too reach heights.

 

We all have to silently bring stability and balance back to society.

Biswanath Roy (Advocate)     21 August 2015

@ Mr. Iyer,  

My comment to your post is not understandable to TOM, DICK and HARRY.  The heading of your post is "Rape by Advocate" which is objectionable because it malaigns the profession of Advocacy.  I am not claiming a special privilege of my age nor my long standing professional experience or dignity acquired in my profession but in my views your presentation of the topic is definitely bad and injurious to the dignity of the profession.  In our Hindu religeous book it is found that the king of 'DEVTAS' Indra raped Ahalya in absence of her husband, we say this incident as Indra raped Ahalya and never say 'God raped AHALYA. Office or profession of a person cannot rape or can be said as rapist. After NIRVAYA rape incident at Delhi our Late Prime Ministe Dr. Man Mohan Singh requested Ex-Chief Justice of India Hon'ble Late Jagadish Saran Verma to make necessary amendment in law to control rape and to submit his recommendation. Persuent to that Hon'ble Justice Verma and Justice Leela Seth called personal views from different sections of Indian Society. Hon'ble Justice Verma being a very close friend of mine since long called my views for an appropriate ammendment in law so that a rapist can think twice before deciding to rape any woman or girl child.  I submitted my opinion before Hon'ble Justice Verma stating that the rapists are every where in our society so merely amending the provision of law you cannot minimize rape. Because how the ammended provision can enforce or apply against  Doctors, Governors, Military personnel, Police Officers Top Gazetted Officers, Judges, Barristers, Advocates, and all other dignifieds of our Society so I SUGGESTED FOR ORCHEODECTOMY OF THE RAPIST by inserting a provisio to the particular section. At this he burst into laughing and said it is not possible because it will be conflicting with our Constitution.  I replied then rape cannot be stopped.

Born Fighter (xxx)     21 August 2015

Mr Roy your reply says ......."Late Prime Ministe Dr. Man Mohan Singh requested Ex-Chief Justice of India Hon'ble Late Jagadish Saran Verma" when did this happen Sir ?

 

Now pls dont tell us to accept it bcos you say so ! 

 

Biswanath Roy (Advocate)     21 August 2015

@ Mr. Born Fighter,

'Am really sorry for my mistakes committed due to inadvertance. Please read

'EX-PRIME MINISTER' instead of LATE PRIME MINISTER  and instead of 'Ex-CHIEF jUSTICE OF iNDIA HON'BLE LATE JAGADISH SARAN VERMA' read 'LATE JAGADISH SARAN VERMA THE EX-CHIEF JUSTICE OF INDIA'. Sorry for the inconvenience caused to you.

NATARAJAN IYER (Proprietor)     21 August 2015

@ Mr.Biswanath Roy

 

পেশায় নৈতিকতা

যেখানে এটা হয়

 

I repeat " Read my Post thoroughly "

 

I have mentioned that I am posting as a response to a query by another member.

 

That member has opened the topic of 376 and s*xual harassment by an Advocate.

 

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So, in legal language, the CAUSE OF ACTION is the posting by that member and that is the PREAMBLE to further responses.

 

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Directly responding to your statement God...Ahalya

 

I never said " If JUDICIARY rapes ... "

 

I said " IF Advocate rapes... "

 

So, I directly meant " Indra ... "

 

No Ambiguity.

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About Advocates, many of them, the lesser spoken of, the better.

 

I am sure you know it yourself although you may not voice yourself openly on a forum.

 

The Advocates that you refer to are long since gone.

 

My Grand-father born in the year 1905, used to be frequently consulted by a former Chief Justice, during drafting judgements.

 

The quality of judgements used to focus on even minute details such as language used to convey a particular observation and it's inference.

 

Today judgements have been reduced to " .... the respondent WAS DIED ".

 

This is the quality today.

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Today, Law has been made a commercial venture, by many advocates.

 

The Legal Scenario you refer to, is vanishing by alarming levels.

 

ROBINDRO SHONGEETH is anyday better than the meaning-less lyrics of a pop album.

 

But we do not get to live amidst that Shongeeth anymore.

Even the Bhodro-lok do not.

How many from the Bhodro-lok have been permitted to remain bhodro-lok ??

Gentlemanly qualities are being searched, hunted and damaged by the mediocre ones.

The Judiciary too is not being spared.

 

I ask again

 

পেশায় নৈতিকতা

যেখানে এটা হয়

 

Indeed, a cause for worry.

Humans are becoming a threat to Humans.

 

Similarly, the legal luminaries of the past are vanishing from the scene.

 

They are brought into a dirty game, made to exit as a part of the strategy of the mediocre people, relegated as consultants, their opinions sought and the bill paid at the end of the month.

 

I am sure you know this scenario.

 

Finally, all that I would say is

 

" LAW IS THE DIVINE FIRE.

 

THE ADVOCATES WHO LIGHT A LAMP FROM THIS DIVINE FIRE, ILLUMINATE THE DARK CORNERS OF SOCIETY.

 

THE ADVOCATES WHO CREATE A FOREST FIRE FROM THIS DIVINE FIRE, DESTROY SOCIETY. "

Biswanath Roy (Advocate)     21 August 2015

I said your presentation of the topic is bad....

I never commented anything contrary to the facts narrated with some sentiment.

NATARAJAN IYER (Proprietor)     22 August 2015

কি করো
লবণ কটুগন্ধ হয়
কিন্তু  ইহা সত্য

< what to do ? Salt is pungent, but it is the truth. >

I am sure you will agree on the common message to victims of legal manipulation.

 

This says it the best. You can listen to it at :

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmzvr3aZXQc

 

On the presentation aspect, Let us Agree to Dis-Agree

 

:)

 

NATARAJAN IYER (Proprietor)     22 August 2015

@ Biswanath Roy & Sainath EXACTLY. THAT IS MY POINT AS WELL. So that brings us on the same page where you have both voiced my view point better than anybody.

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