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Do matrimonial laws REALLY FAVOR WOMEN?

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(Guest)

Mr. Prabhakar

Quoting from your post 30 - 07 2010 @ 22.07 hrs. "Next, our parliament passed "suppression of immoral traffic Act".  But every one knows, even in the smallest of small village, one can procure a woman for money. About female feticide.  Even though it is illegal, not even a single prosecution has happened since passage of the Act."

My request to your kind self is not to make any women (Rural / Urban) so cheap ! As you are aware I live in
Delhi and I think you are also putting up in Delhi. Coming weekend I will sponsor a drive to say Dhauj Village in Pali District which is 1-1/2 hrs. drive away form Delhi and I will give you the money too and show me if a village women from this Pali village comes so easily ! Forget this you name a village 1-2 hrs. drive away from Delhi. let us do it Sir.

Sir, women are vulnerable understood that much,  but kindly don't make them look and feel so cheap too that you say "every one knows even a smallest of small village one can procure a women" had it been so then India is made up of 68% villages and every village will be prostitution fort so to say.....I wonder who is paying you to bring up such remarks for village women and justify Immortal Trafficking of Women Act.

I respect you and know that you look after the family law interest of women it is good someone needs to look after a particular gender but even with your above remarks my respect will not change for you because I respect a professional, but to me your above remarks is not the right justification for a women's self esteem be it from village or from urban India. That means when Ranjana Kumari says that it is ok for 2-3 % of urban Indian women to go into prostitution as profession and earn for an hour US$ 460/- so looks to me that you are comfortable with this exercising empowerment also the que. arise is, why you are justifying Immortal Trafficking of Women Act then. There are high profile female escorts coming from CIS countries regularly to India they are obviously trafficated so why you need this Act for whom only for village women's what Justification we can come up in favor of women wow ? These are nothing but propaganda and confusing the women more.

Bravo....

About your propaganda on Female Feticide read next post now….

Rgds. 

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     02 August 2010

For some one, It is PWDVA Interpreted matters more than humanity. These are crooked ones. and some wants valid proofs, it seems that legal battle is going on

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(Guest)

HOW DO U SAY THESE Are pictures of women affected by domestic violence. i feel these are pictures from google images of victims of natural accidentsand in one pic even a tantrik can be seen treating a case of anorexia nervosa . i can similarly give u 100 s of burnt men pictures. how will u prove they were not victims of domestic violence by their wives. as for dowry death stats any unnatural death within 7 yrs of marriage is presumed to be dowry death by biased laws and greedy lady's parents . and conviction in these cases is hardly 5%. men are being burnt by greedy wives all over india. can u answer what is the probability of a women aged 20 to 35 to die of a natural death. multiply the probability with population of women aged bet 20 to 35 yrs, it equals the number of ur dowry deaths. it proves they are dying natural death.


(Guest)

Mr. Prabhakar

Quoting from your post 30 - 07 2010 @ 22.07 hrs. ".........About female feticide. Even though it is illegal, not even a single prosecution has happened since passage of the Act."


Now-a-days you will not see a single week without an article about female feticide in Indian dailies and magazines. Center for Social Research (CSR) in its annual report says ‘Family tradition and dowry system emerged as the two major causes of female feticides’. This quote is one of the favorites of Indian feminazis as well. Here is a common man’s arm-chair research and analysis about this issue based on the available historical census data of India in comparison with two other countries China and USA.

Graph given below shows the s*x ratio of India from 1901 till 2001 as in CSR annual report which startled me and triggered this analysis.

Indeed it is a steady decline in the number of women over the period of hundred years. Obviously it gave birth to umpteen questions in my mind. The one that dominates every other question was

“What is the ideal s*x ratio?”

But I couldn’t find any realistic answer for that. Anyone can say 1:1, but is that some where close to reality? Will it be sane to say at a given date and time the number of girls and boys on a particular geographical region will be equal if there is no s*x selective abortion? Do we have any mechanism to find the exact figure at the given point in time? Absolutely NOT. I know the whole extended family of Pythagoras will stand up and say, ‘hey I have a formula to figure that out’.

Usually s*x ratio is determined either based on the actual population or by cohort method. To me either of these methods doesn’t seem fit to come to a conclusion because the so called missing females may be due to take birth the next day of census.

Still I tried to understand why the graph above looks so pathetic. To get a deeper understanding lets take a wider look at the whole scenario.

This is the data for the same period of time showing the population as a whole along with total number of men and women according to each census. I assume you would have noticed the remarkable difference in number of men and women started in early or mid 60s. Until then the graph goes neck to neck though women were slightly less in number.

My point is, if we take the conclusion of CSR in its face value, i.e., family tradition and dowry system are the major cause of female feticides, then why is the number of females less during the first half of the century when we didn’t have any available s*x determination technologies? I know CSR and feminazis are going to play the different card, ‘female infanticide’ and ‘dowry death’.

Before we try to digest that theory lets compare our population trend with that of United States of America. The reason why I chose USA is because it is pretty diverse with multi-ethnic as well as multi-racial communities; hence there are no social structures which may influence everyone.

Does that make your eyes wide open to see the same trend in early or mid sixties on the graph? But here the number of males came down after 1960! Except during the American civil war (1861–1865), which resulted in massive death of men, the number women were less than the number of men; not to mention the fact that men outnumbered women consistently through out 19th century!

Apparently, the s*x ratio was similar or even lower than that of India mostly in 19th century and even during early decades of 20th century.

Was there a remote chance of dowry or family tradition in order to make this happen?

Why do we need Herculean formulas made out of thin air to prove something that doesn’t exist? Well, I’m leaving those questions to the readers.

Now the most conspicuous question is

what was the reason for the significant imbalance in the s*x ratio from 1960 onwards world wide?

One who believes it is because of the selective killing of female fetus in India should also be willing to believe there was selective killing of male fetus in USA.

Obliviously or intentionally, CSR and all other international agencies that fund for the female feticide campaign, brushed the fact “Family Planning” under the carpet. It was by the end of fifties, countries around the globe started promoting birth control techniques like condoms and pills, which evidently have made severe damage to the natural balance in s*x ratio. Remember, there were no prenatal s*x determination techniques during the sixties; even in the present century these sophisticated technologies are affordable only to the rich. Further more the earlier methodologies used for prenatal s*x determination require the fetus to be at least 16 to 20 weeks old in order to get accurate results! At that stage abortion is almost impossible or at the high risk of mother’s life. Such incidents of mass death of women due to abortions were never reported either in India or China.

Historical census data of China is not internationally accepted due to misreporting of birth; more over they started taking census only by 1953. But considering the huge population, the one child policy (publicly announced in 1979), and its strict enforcement should be a valid reason for the imbalance in their s*x ratio if such an imbalance ever existed. Still history asserts that 94 females for 100 men (as per 2008 data), is not an alarming ratio. Simply blaming on son preference, patrilenial social structure and dowry system seems to be very cheap and low grade remarks to achieve devious goals.

Source: https://prassoon.instablogs.com/entry/female-feticide-a-mysterious-propaganda/#ixzz0vNtzk72L

 


(Guest)

Ashutosh I noticed you are found of wiki so here is an ode to your own wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_South_Asians

 


(Guest)

Shocking Statistics


(Guest)

Ashutosh quoting your abv post "For some one, It is PWDVA Interpreted matters more than humanity."

I stand by my interpretation of DV Act why you will tell by answring below ques.

Que. 1: Currently DV Act is applicable RETROSPECTIVELY acoss India. DV Act is just a baby of 4 years old. Women who are divorced are filing DV Act retrospectively nd now the que. is do you know the % of divorced women ?

Que. 2: Is is good for humanity to apply retrospectively DV Act ?

Rgds.


(Guest)

Dowry death and bride burning: A look beyond the smoke screen

The phrase “bride burning” conjures up images of a cruel husband and his family members dousing a young woman in kerosene, flinging a lighted matchstick on her and gloating as the hapless bride goes up in flames. The term “dowry death” also sparks off vivid imaginations of a woman being taunted and harassed for money and finally, hanged to death within the four walls of her house. We also have watched movies and TV serials where a malicious mother-in-law poisons the unsuspecting daughter-in-law’s meal or quietly causes a gas leak and locks the new bride in the kitchen right before she lights the stove to make tea for the family.

There must be many families who burn their brides for dowry as a routine practice otherwise, why would there be so many news reports about dowry deaths? As they say, there cannot be smoke without a fire. Right?

Feminists would have you believe that every unnatural or untimely death of a married Indian woman is dowry death. Not only that, the feminist hyperbole on “bride killing” and “dowry harassment” makes it look like Indian men have an uncanny propensity to commit violence on their wives for money, while men in other countries commit domestic violence for other reasons.

In reality, it is the number of registered suicides of married women which are passed off as statistics of dowry death, and even these numbers are almost always exaggerated. It has become a custom to claim that all the women have been “driven to suicide” due to dowry harassment.(Links No.1-6) The husband and in-laws are immediately arrested under IPC Sections 304B and 498A and incarcerated for a couple of weeks to several months without bail. They are promptly subjected to media trial and labeled criminals even before investigation or trial can begin.

Even if all the noise about Indian brides being “driven to suicide” for dowry is indeed well-founded, one would expect that the number of suicides of married women would be significantly higher compared to that of unmarried women. However, the National Crime Records Bureau’s statistics show that there is no significant difference in the rates of suicide by married and unmarried women.

Justice Saldana’s remarks (in Crl.A. no. 589 of 2003) are testimony to how anti-dowry laws are being misused to the detriment of innocent citizens:

…we need to sound a note of caution that the police and investigating authorities should not improperly and technically jump to the conclusion that merely because death has occurred that ipso facto a criminal offense has been committed . In as many as 44% of these cases prosecution is thoroughly unjustified. Unless there is cogent and convincing evidence and unless there is material to sustain these charges, it would be totally impermissible and completely unjustified to embark upon legal action. The consequences of these charges are extremely grave because the accused husband and invariably family members are placed under arrest. There are serious social and economic repercussions.

The fact that we do come across considerable number of instances where prosecution was unjustified seems to indicate that in every case of death of young woman or recently married women that prosecution and filing of charge sheet has become automatic. There does not appear to be a proper application of mind at the stage of scrutiny and having regard to this position we direct the concerned authorities to ensure that requirements of the law are correctly and responsibly followed.

It is important to note that more than 56,000 married Indian men end their lives every year. According to statistics obtained from the National Crime Records Bureau, every year, twice as many married men, compared to women, commit suicides unable to withstand verbal, emotional, economic and physical abuse by their wives and in-laws. Deaths of these men make for the brief stories we often read in newspapers stating that a certain man “killed himself due to family issues or financial problems”. (LInks No.7-12)

Thanks to the concerted efforts of the feminists, thousands of men are also becoming victims of “legal terrorism” unleashed through laws like Sections 498A and 304B of the Indian Penal Code, Protection of Women Against Domestic Violence Act, adultery laws, laws against rape and s*xual harassment, and even divorce, maintenance and child custody laws. Many men are ending their lives unable to endure the fear, humiliation and trauma caused by the legal harassment.(Links No.13-18)

While it is insisted that the death of every young married woman is a case of dowry death requiring immediate arrest of the husband and in-laws, accompanied by media-hype, male-bashing and breast-beating, driving thousands of men to commit suicide is considered social service in India.

Feminists have always wanted “dowry harassment” and “bride burning” to remain hot issues that fuel the Indian Domestic Violence Industry.

The feminist Taliban will surely burn in rage as we look beyond the smoke screen and call their bluff.

  1. https://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/kem-doctor-suicide-police-register-dowry-case-against-husband/407514/
  2. https://www.thehindu.com/2007/02/11/stories/2007021114290300.htm
  3. https://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/fivemonth-pregnant-woman-commits-suicide-3-held-for-dowry-harassment/275318/
  4. https://www.indianexpress.com/news/woman-commits-suicide-husband-held/494150/
  5. https://www.hindu.com/2007/03/28/stories/2007032823500500.htm
  6. https://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_techie-held-for-suicide-of-wife_1252098
  7. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Husband-commits-suicide-after-wife-calls-him-ugly-impotent/articleshow/3781322.cms
  8. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Man-pining-for-separated-son-commits-suicide/articleshow/4382247.cms
  9. https://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/kolkata/Man-commits-suicide-on-metro-tracks/Article1-475927.aspx
  10. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kanpur/Man-commits-suicide/articleshow/5276875.cms
  11. https://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Man-commits-suicide-at-Delhi-metro-station/432125/
  12. https://www.kolkatamirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=13&contentid=2009111320091113132759296662d0415&sectxslt=
  13. https://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/ministers-gunner-kills-self-fearing-dowry-charges-against-family/463274/
  14. https://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/False-dowry-case-Man-kills-self/270124/
  15. https://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=%E2%80%98Harassed%E2%80%99+husband+commits+suicide&artid=QlzZUAwpVaA=&SectionID=Qz/kHVp9tEs=&MainSectionID=wIcBMLGbUJI=&SectionName=UOaHCPTTmuP3XGzZRCAUTQ==&SEO=
  16. https://www.deccanherald.com/content/19204/treated-cruelly-wife-techie-ends.html
  17. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/PSI-shoots-himself-dead-with-service-revolver/articleshow/5249121.cms
  18. https://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?section=subcontinent&xfile=data/subcontinent/2008/february/subcontinent

Source: Uma Challa https://aimwa.in/dowry-death-and-bride-burning-a-look-beyond-the-smoke-screen


(Guest)

women have been supressed  for thousands of years since the time of SITA, so dv act can be applied retrospectively till approx 5000 bc ( approx lord rama era). on the eve of his marriage god rama made some domestic violence at  his in laws house  by breaking bow of shiva. so domestic violence has been there for several thousand years in india. women of today are avenging the misdeeds men of india did to tem over past 7000 yrs. keep it up pseudo - feminists.


(Guest)

arun ji  try to understand , FIRST TIME IN INDIA AND IT HAPPENS ONLY IN INDIA . WHILE DV ACT CLEARLY STATES FROM DATE OF NOTIFICATION OF THIS ACT , BUT SOME OF OUR INNOVATIVE PEOPLE IN JUDIACIARY DISCOVER THAT IT CAN BE APPLIED RETROSPECTIVELY UPTO 7000 bc OR MAY BE BEYOND. DOES IT APPLY TO NETHANDERAL MAN OR ITS FOR Homo sapiens only. it is unjust if we dont apply it retrospectively to monkeys too who might have been ancestors of man.

WHY SAME LOGIC NOT APPLIED TO ANY OTHER CRIMINAL LAW. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SUFFERING BECOZ OF WHIM OF SOMEONE IN JUDICIARY.


(Guest)

Nopes. not whims and fancies of Judiciary but chappal maro to Hon'ble SC judges and break chairs of Hon'ble Judges that these L........... Collective and WCD / NCW representative do to Judiciary and reopen all those settled divorce cases retrospetively so that their money making industry flourishes are only the reasons.


Why ld. members will speak up on DV is prospective or not once they all do that it will stop their money making industry and for that who cares  a bala she is destined to remain a bala and even all urban bala becomes  village a bala in the process of these handy people.
 

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     02 August 2010

______________________________________________________________________________

State or Area   1987    1990    1992    1994    1-10 Rank# by

 

                                                concentration of Hindu

                                                population

 

______________________________________________________________________________

 

I.  The Hindu-Hindi Heartland

Delhi           79      200     121     132     1

Uttar Pradesh   553     1398    1783    1977    4

Madhya Pradesh  220     556     350     354     6

Rajasthan       113     286     250     298     7

Haryana         133     336     209     191     3

Punjabs         70      177     101     117     2

 

II.  The Affluent West

Maharashtra*    250     632     727     519     5

Gujarat*        23      58      123     105

Goac            0       0       0       0

Daman & Diuc    0       0       0       0

 

III.  The Financially-strangled East:

 

West Bengal     97      245     179     349     10

Bihar           120     303     170     296

Sikkimb         0       0       0       0

 

IV.  The Non-Hindi South:

 

Andhra Pradesh  98      248     424     396     9

Karnataka       83      210     209     170     10

Tamil Nadu      49      124     75      83

Keralac         2       5       18      9

 

V.  The Far-East (politically and economically alienated):

 

Assam           3       8       1       13

Tripura         3       8       3       6

Nagalandc       0       0       0       0

Mizoramc        0       0       0       0

 

VI.  The "Battlefield":

 

Jammu & Kashmirm        10      25      18      1       8

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     02 August 2010

money making industry flourishes are only the reasons.

-  i support this.

money making is the main intention, this businessmen exploits both the parties.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     02 August 2010

mr ashutosh,

please give the internet reference of the pictures by which members can follow it.

you gave some statistics - what is the subject matters of these statistics.? pl put the text.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     02 August 2010

mr ashutosh

I have come across more than 100 cases in and around me, in which either (some of) bride have been killed rather murdered brutally or have committed suicides.

 where is the name and address of  these 100 murders,?

instead of putting the name and address, you are posting some photos that also without net address.

please put the same.


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