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QUAZI denied to give TALAQ

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MASTHAN (Self employeed)     12 May 2011

Hello Arup,

Thanks for detailed explanation.

Today evening I met two advocates and I have two different experience with them.

 

1. The first advocates told that there is no specific format for TALAQNAMA as such, you just write on a letter and sign on it with two witness and keep one copy with  you and take the DD for meher and iddat period and send it. If she receives that, then that means your divorce got completed.

 

I showed him the TALAQNAMA format which is at "https://legalapproach.net/legal.php?nid=357"

He said the format is ok. 

2. After one hour of time I met another adovcate who is my friend friend, he is telling that supreme court of india made ammendments to islamic law.  As per the india constitunecy telling TALAQ TALAQ TALAQ is no more valid for divorce.  And there are many judgement from supreme court of india on this.  If TALAQ TALAQ TALAQ is valid then all muslim mens can give divorce with in a min of time but that is not good and correct.

 

I am totally confused at this stage....

Here my simple question is : 

a) How can I make my TALAQNAMA is valid? so that no court will interfere in it?

b) Can she challenge my TALAQNAMA in court ?

 

 

 

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     12 May 2011

Hi All,

 

I am thinking to file the following RTI to supreme court of India to get the exact procedure for valid TALAQNAMA, please let me know your opinion on this.

 

 

4. Department from which

Information is required: Mrs. Smita Vats Sharma 
Additional Registrar/
Central Public Information Officer
Supreme Court of India, New Delhi.
Tel. No.23073580/ Fax No.23384533

Reference:

 

A.Please provide me the valid procedure to send a valid TALAQNAMA (the TALAQNAMA which is accepted by the Hon'ble Supreme court of India)  by INDIA-SUNNI_MUSLIM husband to his wife under the ISLAMIC MUSLIM PERSONAL LAW 1986.

 

B. Please provide me the different ways (both judicial and non-judicial ) to get divorce, who belongs to INDIA-SUNNI-MUSLIM community , which is valid/accepted by the Hon'ble Supreme court of India.

 

C. Please provide me the information on the validity of “marriage and divorce” procedure of “Muslim personal law 1986” at Hon'ble Supreme Court of India.

 

d. Please provide me what information a INDIA-SUNNI-MUSLIM husband needs to include in his TALAQNAMA to make it valid at Supreme Court of India.

 

Thanks,

Masthan

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     12 May 2011

1. The first advocates told that there is no specific format for TALAQNAMA ----   YES CORRECT.

 

as such, you just write on a letter and sign on it with two witness and keep one copy with  you  ---   YES CORRECT.

 

and take the DD for meher and iddat period and send it. YOU MAY DID IT OR ON A LATTER STAGE,

 

If she receives that, then that means your divorce got completed. ---  NOT CORRECT. YOU HAVE TO CONVEY YOUR TALAKNAMA, NO QUESTION OF HER ACCEPTENCE OR NOT.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     12 May 2011

2. After one hour of time I met another adovcate who is my friend friend, he is telling that supreme court of india made ammendments to islamic law. ---   PERHAPS IT IS  WRONG. HOWEVER I WILL CHECK IT AGAIN.

 

As per the india constitunecy telling TALAQ TALAQ TALAQ is no more valid for divorce.  ---    IT IS WITHIN THE SHARIAT NOT SC RULLING;

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS, YOU SEND THREE TALAKNAMA AFTER ONE MONTHS GAP.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS GAP IS - TO GIVE A CHANCE TO WIFE - TO CORRECT HERSELF.

And there are many judgement from supreme court of india on this.  ---   WRONG, TELL THE ADVOCATE TO PRODUCE ONE OR TWO.

 

If TALAQ TALAQ TALAQ is valid then all muslim mens can give divorce with in a min of time but that is not good and correct.   ---   ACTUALLY IT WAS RECTIFIED AT PAKISTAN AND NOT IN HINDUSTHAN.

WHETHER IT IS GOOD AND CORRECT IS SEPERATE QUESTION, BUT HERE IT IS QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE LAW?

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     12 May 2011

The Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act         (Act no. 25 of 1986)

THE MUSLIM WOMEN (PROTECTION OF RIGHTS ON DIVORCE) ACT, 1986 ACT NO. 25 OF 1986 [19th May, 1986.]

An Act to protect the rights of Muslim women who have been divorced by, or have obtained divorce from, their husbands and to provide for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto.

Be it enacted by Parliament in the Thirty-seventh year of the Republic of India as follows:-

1. Short title and extent.-

(1) This Act may be called the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986.

(2) It extends to the whole of India except the State of Jammu and Kashmir.

2. Definitions.-

In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,-

(a) "Divorced woman" means a Muslim woman who was married according to Muslim law, and has been divorced by, or has obtained divorce from, her husband in accordance with Muslim law;

(b) "Iddat period" means, in the case of a divorced woman,-

(i) Three menstrual courses after the date of divorce, if she is subject to menstruation; and

(ii) Three lunar months after her divorce, if she is not subject to menstruation; and

(iii) If she is enceinte at the time of her divorce, the period between the divorce and the delivery of her child or the termination of her pregnancy, whichever is earlier;

(c) "Magistrate" means a Magistrate of the First class exercising jurisdiction under the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 (2 of 1974) in the area where the divorced woman resides;

(d) "Prescribed" means prescribed by rules made under this Act.

3. Mahr or other properties of Muslim woman to be given to her at the time of divorce.-

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other law for the time being in force, a divorced woman shall be entitled to-

(a) A reasonable and fair provision and maintenance to be made and paid to her within the iddat period by her former husband; (b) Where she herself maintains the children born to her before or after her divorce, a reasonable and fair provision and maintenance to be made and paid by her former husband for a period of two years from the respective dates of birth of such children;

(c) An amount equal to the sum of mahr or dower agreed to be paid to her at the time of her marriage or at any time thereafter according to Muslim law; and

(d) All the properties given to her before or at the time of or after her marriage by her relatives or friends or the husband or any relatives of the husband or his friends. marriage

(2) Where a reasonable and fair provision and maintenance or the amount of mahr or dower due has not been made or paid or the properties referred to in clause (d) of sub-section (1) have not been delivered to a divorced woman on her divorce, she or any one duly authorized by her may, on her behalf, make an application to a Magistrate for an order for payment of such provision and maintenance, mahr or dower or the delivery of properties; as the case may be.

(3) Where an application has been made under sub-section (2) by a divorced woman, the Magistrate may, if he is satisfied that-

(a) Her husband having sufficient means, has failed or neglected to make or pay her within the iddat period a reasonable and fair provision and maintenance for her and the children; or

(b) The amount equal to the sum of mahr or dower has not been paid or that the properties referred to in clause (d) of sub-section (1) have not been delivered to her, make an order, within one month of the date of the filing of the application, directing her former husband to pay such reasonable and fair provision and maintenance to the divorced woman as he may determine as it and proper having regard to the needs of he divorced woman, the standard of life enjoyed by her during her marriage and the means of her former husband or, as the case may be, for the payment of such mahr or dower or the delivery of such properties referred to in clause (d) of sub-section (1) t the divorced woman: Provided that if the Magistrate finds it impracticable to dispose of the application within the said period, he may, for reasons to be recorded by him, dispose of the application after the said period.

(4) If any person against whom an order has been made under sub-section (3) fails without sufficient cause to comply with the order, the Magistrate may issue a warrant for levying the amount of maintenance or mahr or dower due in the manner provided for levying fines under the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 (2 of 1974), and may sentence such person, for the whole or part of any amount remaining unpaid after the execution of the warrant, to imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year or until ayment if sooner made, subject to such person being heard in defence and the said sentence being imposed according to the provisions of the said Code.

4. Order for payment of maintenance.-

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in the foregoing provisions of this Act or in any other law for the time being in force, where a Magistrate is satisfied that a divorced woman has not re-married and is not able to maintain herself after the iddat period, he may make an order directing such of her relatives as would be entitled to inherit her property on her death according to Muslim law to pay such reasonable and fair maintenance to her as he may determine fit and proper, having regard to the needs of the divorced woman, the standard of life enjoyed by her during her marriage and the means of such relatives and such maintenance shall be payable by such relatives in the proportions in which they would inherit he property and at such periods as he may specify in his order: Provided that where such divorced woman has children, the Magistrate shall order only such children to pay maintenance to her, and in the event of any such children being unable to pay such maintenance, the Magistrate shall order the parents of such divorced woman to pay maintenance to her: Provided further that if any of the parents is unable to pay his or her share of the maintenance ordered by the Magistrate on the ground of his or her not having the means to pay the same, the Magistrate may, on proof of such inability being furnished to him, order that the share of such relatives in the maintenance ordered by him be paid by such of the other relatives as may appear to the Magistrate to have the means of paying the same in such proportions as the Magistrate may think fit to order.

(2) Where a divorced woman is unable to maintain herself and she has no relatives as mentioned in sub-section (1) or such relatives or any one of them have not enough means to pay the maintenance ordered by the Magistrate or the other relatives have not the means to pay the shares of those relatives whose shares have been ordered by the Magistrate to be paid by such other relatives under the second proviso to sub-section (1), the Magistrate may, by order, direct the State Wakf Board established under section 9 of the Wakf Act, 1954 (29 of 1954), or under any other law for the time being in force in a State, functioning in the area in which the woman resides, to pay such maintenance as determined by him under sub-section (1) or, as the case may be, to pa the shares of such of the relatives who are unable to pay, at such periods as he may specify in his order.

5. Option to be governed by the provisions of sections 125 to 128 of Act 2 of 1974.-

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     12 May 2011

THIS ACT FOR MOHAMEDAN WOMEN NOT FOR MEN.

ACCORDING TO SHARIAT, THERE IS A LIMITED SCOPE FOR WOMEN, TO DIVORCE HER HUSBAND.

THIS ACT PROVIDE OR EXTEND DIVORCE TO MOHAMEDAN WOMEN.

YOU MAY SHOW YOUR ADVOCATE THIS ACT. HE NEEDS HIS KNOWLEDGE EXTENDED.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     12 May 2011

RTI IS A GOOD IDEA.

THERE IS NO UNCLEARNESS IN MOHAMEDAN LAW..

HOWEVER ASKING BY RTI IS NOT A BAD IDEA. CHECK THE ENGLISH. SOME PLACES ARE NOT CLEAR.

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     13 May 2011

Hi Arup,

What you said is correct, sending three talaq notices with one month gap for each notice. Even I also saw some of the videos and news papers in the case of shoaib malik (paksitam ex-cricketer , who married india tennis star saania mirza) , and in those videos and news papers it is clearly mentioned that they way how shoaib maliq given talaq is not correct.'

He needs to send three talaq notices with one month gap and the elders needs to resolve the disputes in these three months of time. If the arbitaration gets fail then after the triple talaq, the divorce is valid.

Thanks,

Mastan

 

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     14 May 2011

Hi All,

 

Here I want to tell one more thing. In front of she, KAZI, her parents/relatives, our relatives , my brother told triple TALAQ to his wife. 

When I told this to some islamic elder people, they are telling that , "as per the islmaic law your brother divorce got completed, all what we need is KAZI needs to issue TALAQNAMA certificate as evidence for completion of divorce  and he needs to sign on it as one of the witness. 

Please let me know your comments on this.

Thanks,

Masthan

Rohit (Private)     15 May 2011

Bro Better Prepare your self for 498 first. Rohit

MASTHAN (Self employeed)     15 May 2011

Hello Rohit,

The 498A is pending before HC for quash. HC given stay order almost a year back. The opposite party is dragging 498A quash at HC by not receiving the showcause notice sent by the HC and by not filing their objections. 

I am clearly telling my HC advocate to take permission to give the public notice as oppoiste party is intentionally dragging the issue. 

As we all know after 498A nothing is left , but the only problem is it will take time to close the issue. Already two years passed in my family life. If either trail court or HC dispose the case with in one/two years , then everyone feels happy but the issues because of this old-age procedures in the IPC they are taking years and years to close a case. 

If we come out from the case after 10 years , who will give back our 10 years life ? Neither the court nor she will take responsibility for that?

When I get these thoughts into my mind, why I born as  a MEN in this country ? or it is better if court passes an order stating that "it is crime to born as a men or it is a crime to marry an indian girl or it is crime having sons to parents".

 

However, all what I am worrying is , how to get valid TALAQ ? as he already prononuced TALAQ thrice in front of both the elders, infront of KAZI and infront of her?

-Masthan

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     15 May 2011

who will give back our 10 years life ?

 

---   this question raised by several citizens, and the old dhritarashtra sitting in power is as usual play the role of a blind.

Om Prakash Dhusia (HR assistant)     15 May 2011

It is an request to the Administrator to kindly do not allow such vulgar words to be used in LCI, the same should be blocked immediately or sensored like you have been doing with the word s*x.It is not a p*rn site and why Tajobsindia replied to such vulgar anecdote without any hesitation.I do not know whether tajobsindia may be he or she but better be careful and ignore such questions or answers.

i strongly denounce it.

Tajobsindia (Senior Partner )     15 May 2011

Originally posted by :Om Prakash Dhusia
"
It is an request to the Administrator to kindly do not allow such vulgar words to be used in LCI, the same should be blocked immediately or sensored like you have been doing with the word s*x.It is not a p*rn site and why Tajobsindia replied to such vulgar anecdote without any hesitation.I do not know whether tajobsindia may be he or she but better be careful and ignore such questions or answers.

i strongly denounce it.
"

 What is your complain I couldnot understand ?

For this post where I have replied in vulger tone to make this premium legal site look like a p*rn site can you take me to my post reply in this thread ?

Always give link to such pointers when talking to me understand well.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     15 May 2011

WHERE IS MR TAJOB IN THIS THREAD?

PERHAPS YOU CONFUSED MR OM.


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