Corruption
Querist :
Anonymous
(Querist) 04 September 2011
This query is : Resolved
Who is playing major role in corruption?
Bribe Giver.
Bribe receiver.
Isaac Gabriel
(Expert) 04 September 2011
None.The procedural delays alone bring in middle men to negotiate and greeze the palm of the people in the helm of affairs.The channel is thus formed by brokers in and out.
prabhakar singh
(Expert) 04 September 2011
Expert : Isaac Gabriel! exciting remark
Querist :
Anonymous
(Querist) 04 September 2011
So, expert Gabriel says corruption is caused by the mediators and brokers.
The services of the mediators and brokers are needed by the corruption give and taker.
That is why I have requested the experts to say who is playing the vital role corruption giver or taker.
R.Ramachandran
(Expert) 04 September 2011
I will give one simple example. You will get the answer yourself.
1. Government has given orders that one can get educational loans. A person who wants to pursue the education applies for loan. He is otherwise fully eligible. But his loan sanction is being delayed on one pretext or the other. In the meantime, the last date for admission to the course is also coming to a close. If the person does not get admission this academic year, then he can never get admission in future because of age restriction. He some how wants to get admission. The loan is being delayed. In the meanwhile somebody suggests approach so and so, I also did like that and succeeded, so you also try. He tries. The so and so demands money before clearing the papers for sanction of loan.
Now you tell me, who is at fault - whether the prospective bribe giver, who is otherwise normal and only wants admission to pursue his studies and who has applied for sanction of educational loan to which is fully entitled, who would not have given a bribe at all if the loan had been sanctioned in time
OR
the authority who wantonly sat on the loan paper expecting a bribe.
By making a complaint the authority may or may not get punished after due process of law. If the loan is not sanctioned in time, the person seeking the admission would have lost his life time chance to pursue his education.
In this scenario, who according to you has a major role in corruption? Your answer will apply universally.
You have to understand one thing. In foreign countries people take bribe to do illegal things - that is to do things outside the scope and ambit of law.
But in India, people take brike to do what they are expected to do/perform as per law!
prabhakar singh
(Expert) 04 September 2011
Good illustration of bribing under compulsion.
But that is the difference too as those who fought for independence did not care for even loosing their life what to talk of missing opportunities.
And gradually we are proceeding towards that need once again.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 04 September 2011
Both and third option not given
Indian mentality being constantly polluted since the day of independence by some vested interests.
Querist :
Anonymous
(Querist) 04 September 2011
It is understood that the persons are getting bribe even for doing their lawful duty.
When we are appraising of the offenders, whether we have any system to appreciate the genuine workers.
In India corruption is caused main by red-tapism. Is the red tapism caused by low man power or lack of efficacy.
If the Government itself gives a tatkal system for doing the things, will the corruption will get reduced.
K.S.Srinivas
(Expert) 04 September 2011
Mr.Anonymous,
In my view bribe giver playing major role.
In the above illustration, if the loan releasing authority who sat on the file should be inflicted with severe punishment, which will be act as indication to other officers who are indulging in such activities and they shall also be liable for such punishments. Then to certain extent the corruption can be brought down.
However, as mentioned by the expert Ramachandran, in India, people take bribe to do what they are expected to do/perform as per law! It is the most unfortunate situation.
R.Ramachandran
(Expert) 04 September 2011
Dear Anonymous,
You are mixing up things.
What is red-tapism - red-tapism is nothing but complicating even straight things in order not to deliver.
If the delivery takes place despite such red-tapism, it is not re-tapism that is the problem, it is greed for money the greed to take bribe for doing a thing.
Please do not get confused with things like Tatkal. Tatkal is a scheme to help enable people to undertake journey or avail services on short notice, which they did not plan, but which they are otherwise required to do all of a sudden. It is like taking patient to a casualty ward for attending to his immediate needs, while the OPD patient may be waiting! Such provisions which are available to all and not restricted to a few are always a mechanism to take care of situations and always welcome. There is nothing wrong in it.
Guest
(Expert) 05 September 2011
I 100% agree with the views of Shri Ramachandran, which clearly indicate that the bribe taker plays the major role in corruption.
In fact, most of the bribe givers normally pays bribe only under compelling circumstances, which are intentionally created by the bribe taker. Only a few of the bribe givers resort to give bribe voluntarily with the intention just to save their precious time which is normally in the business process with the intention to earn several times more than the bribe amount during the likely period of delay if no bribe is given.
The instance of education loan, as given by Shri Ramachandran, is also true, as such loans get sanctioned on priority where bribe exchanges hands and others get rejected by one or the other plea, or get delayed beyong the specified dates of admission.
I ALSO HAD TO FACE SUCH A SITUATION when my son applied for educational loan. Although the manager was well acquainted with me and he even takk help of me in several other issues, but since he was not expecting any bribe from me, he used to give one or the other plea not to allow loan. At first he stated that the loan was not admissible for the course applied for. When I asked for the Bank's ruling about courses on which educational loan was admissible, instead of providing specific ruling, he reluctantly handed over the bulky folder to me to make search myself out of several types of loan schemes and haphazrdly arranged and mixed up documents. When I showed him his own banks ruling about the admissibility of loan he pretended that the case would have to be sent to headquarter for approval stating that he was not authorised to sanction such a loan. He told me that the response (positive or negative) may take at least three weeks. He very well knew that the date would expire within 3-4 days. However, when after heated discussions I told him to send the case to the HQ, he was perhaps apprehensive that the case may not prove to be a vigilance case against him, when even on my making available to him the relevant ruling and also tried to convince him to a great extent, he then pretended that for my sake he would try to take risk to sanction the loan himself, but I would have to give guarantee of some immovable property with more than double the loan amount, that too besides my personal guarantee.
Although the ruling was very clear that the loan being within the limit of personal guarantee, would not require any immovable property for guarantee. I had to ultimately agree for the same for the sake of career of my son and had to shell out papers of my home worth TEN times of the loan amount, besides giving my personal guarantee.
So, the experts can see how the compelling circumstances are created by the bribes takers for a common man.
Isaac Gabriel
(Expert) 06 September 2011
At the outset, corruption has become one of the lucrative profession.A file with multicrore project was waiting for clearance. The authority recorded 'Approved'in the presence of one of the staff members. After a while he added 'Not'before 'Approved' and returned the file.At this juncture, a quarrel developed between the staff who leaked the 'Approved' beforehand .On knowing the development outside,the authority called in the party who quarrelled and talked with him.He advised him he need not worry about the file notings, since everything was under his control and command.Finally the file was called again and 'e'was added with the 'Not' and everything calmed down.Can we imagine what traspired and agreed in between? But it appeared as if the 'Note approved' was done at a single stroke without being wriiten thrice.This is one among the modus operandi adopted to play coruption in bueraucracy.Mr.Anonymous imagine who is responsible?
